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Can you refuse job applications that the jobseekers set you up for?

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  • J-Pop
    J-Pop Posts: 91 Forumite
    edited 22 January 2011 at 3:36PM
    dmg24 wrote: »
    Could you not have read it whilst you were sat with her?

    Who do you do voluntary PC repair work for - is it a charity?

    I am just new to this, the woman was just briefly scanning through jobs for me.....she asked what about this job and i said if she could print it out i will have a look at it, the JC interview lasted less than 10mins.

    The PC repair shop has just opened up last week and is only around the corner from me, the guy will take me on if it starts doing well, i offered to help him get started.

    I thought doing this along with my courses would show the JC that i am at least making an effort, but they don't really pay much attention to it.
  • J-Pop wrote: »
    The PC repair shop has just opened up last week and is only around the corner from me, the guy will take me on if it starts doing well, i offered to help him get started.

    I thought doing this along with my courses would show the JC that i am at least making an effort, but they don't really pay much attention to it.

    I'm sorry but I think to call this voluntary work is stretching definitions a little too far.

    No wonder it isn't cutting much ice with the JC.

    It's internship perhaps but I guess if you called it that then the Jobseekers Allowance, along with your payment insurance would be cancelled.
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  • dmg24
    dmg24 Posts: 33,920 Forumite
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    J-Pop wrote: »
    I am just new to this, the woman was just briefly scanning through jobs for me.....she asked what about this job and i said if she could print it out i will have a look at it, the JC interview lasted less than 10mins.

    The PC repair shop has just opened up last week and is only around the corner from me, the guy will take me on if it starts doing well, i offered to help him get started.

    I thought doing this along with my courses would show the JC that i am at least making an effort, but they don't really pay much attention to it.

    By your own admission she was browsing through and asked you if it was suitable. A bit different to the woman could have not read the job description properly?

    Your 'voluntary' work is not allowed by the JCP, it is actually unpaid work experience. You need to either stop doing this work or ask the JCP if you can do a formal work trial.
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  • dugdale_2
    dugdale_2 Posts: 470 Forumite
    andy46 wrote: »
    An absolutely stupid rule and just shows how clueless these people are who make up these rules. It would favour and give preference to all those people who didn't have their own transport and they would be less lenient with them. Meanwhile those people who have their own transport would be expected to travel in their own vehicle upto 80 miles roundtrip for a minimum wage job.

    When I last claimed JSA I never stated to having my own transport which was never included in the main part of the claim form only as part of the Jobseeker agreement.(I don't know if this has now changed) but I had no intention of travelling upto 80 miles a day for a minimum wage job and wanted to keep my job search local.

    Why is this an absolutely stupid rule? Why are the people who make these rules clueless? Why does it favour and give preference to all those people who didn't have their own transport?

    I think that the 60 minutes travel to work by public transport for first 13 weeks and 90 minutes after the first 13 weeks is very good guidance, created by clued-up individuals as it does not favour or give preferance to either people with their own transport or those without.
  • CCFC_80
    CCFC_80 Posts: 1,289 Forumite
    edited 22 January 2011 at 4:11PM
    dugdale wrote: »
    Why is this an absolutely stupid rule? Why are the people who make these rules clueless? Why does it favour and give preference to all those people who didn't have their own transport?

    I think that the 60 minutes travel to work by public transport for first 13 weeks and 90 minutes after the first 13 weeks is very good guidance, created by clued-up individuals as it does not favour or give preferance to either people with their own transport or those without.

    Quite simply those without their own transport would not be forced to apply for a job travelling upto 60-80 miles a day in their own car with spiralling petrol costs for a minimum wage role.Unless of course you wanted to do that. :eek:
    An earlier post explains for those without their own transport, the 1 hour rule takes into account walking to the bus stop and waiting for it.
  • dmg24
    dmg24 Posts: 33,920 Forumite
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    andy46 wrote: »
    Quite simply those without their own transport would not be forced to apply for a job travelling upto 60-80 miles a day in their own car with spiralling petrol costs for a minimum wage role.Unless of course you wanted to do that. :eek:

    Do you think public transport is free?
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  • dugdale_2
    dugdale_2 Posts: 470 Forumite
    andy46 wrote: »
    Quite simply those without their own transport would not be forced to apply for a job travelling upto 60-80 miles a day in their own car with spiralling petrol costs for a minimum wage role.Unless of course you wanted to do that. :eek:

    And neither would a person with a car be forced to apply for a job travelling up to 60 - 80 miles a day in their own car.

    Please read again what I posted. The travel to work area for someone claiming JSA for up to 13 weeks is 60 minutes by public transport, then 90 minutes after the 13 weeks. Nowhere did I say that people with their own transport would need to drive for 60 or 90 minutes. The travel to work area is the same for everyone, the fact that a vehicle is available is not taken into consideration.
  • CCFC_80
    CCFC_80 Posts: 1,289 Forumite
    dmg24 wrote: »
    Do you think public transport is free?

    No you completely miss the point. The one hour rule for travelling to a job includes the walk to the bus stop and waiting for that bus to arrive.

    The one hour rule for a person with transport involves being able to travel to a job upto 40 miles away. It would be practically impossible to do this inside one hour without you own transport.
  • CCFC_80
    CCFC_80 Posts: 1,289 Forumite
    dugdale wrote: »
    And neither would a person with a car be forced to apply for a job travelling up to 60 - 80 miles a day in their own car.

    Please read again what I posted. The travel to work area for someone claiming JSA for up to 13 weeks is 60 minutes by public transport, then 90 minutes after the 13 weeks. Nowhere did I say that people with their own transport would need to drive for 60 or 90 minutes. The travel to work area is the same for everyone, the fact that a vehicle is available is not taken into consideration.

    60-80 miles away includes the round trip, not at all impossible with your own car inside an hour but practically impossible under the one hour rule if you don't have transport.
  • dmg24
    dmg24 Posts: 33,920 Forumite
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    andy46 wrote: »
    No you completely miss the point. The one hour rule for travelling to a job includes the walk to the bus stop and waiting for that bus to arrive.

    The one hour rule for a person with transport involves being able to travel to a job upto 40 miles away. It would be practically impossible to do this inside one hour without you own transport.

    Nope, I completely get the point, but your argument is not valid. The cost of one hour's public transport (or 45 mins to allow for travel at either end) will be as much as the cost of petrol for the same amount of time.

    If you don't like it, there is nothing to stop you giving up your car ... or do you want the best of both worlds?
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