Can you refuse job applications that the jobseekers set you up for?

dugdale_2

Andy please listen

No one is being forced to drive for an hour to travel to work, where you got this idea from God only knows.

All JSA customers are expected to travel up to 60 minutes from home to work BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT for the first 13 weeks of their claim. They are NOT EXPECTED TO DRIVE FOR 60 MINUTES. The fact that they have access to a vehicle means that they can probably cover this distance (home to door in 60 minutes by public transport) a lot quicker than 60 minutes.

CCFC_80

dmg24 wrote: »

Nope, I completely get the point, but your argument is not valid. The cost of one hour's public transport (or 45 mins to allow for travel at either end) will be as much as the cost of petrol for the same amount of time.

If you don't like it, there is nothing to stop you giving up your car ... or do you want the best of both worlds?

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When I last claimed JSA the JCP expected me to apply for roles that would only have been possible to get to if I had my own transport.

Still don't think you completely get the point, it's nothing to do with petrol costs but being able to get to a destination 30 miles to 40 miles away within an hour.

dugdale wrote: »

Andy please listen

No one is being forced to drive for an hour to travel to work, where you got this idea from God only knows.

All JSA customers are expected to travel up to 60 minutes from home to work BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT for the first 13 weeks of their claim. They are NOT EXPECTED TO DRIVE FOR 60 MINUTES. The fact that they have access to a vehicle means that they can probably cover this distance (home to door in 60 minutes by public transport) a lot quicker than 60 minutes.

Assume you work for The JCP, if so your contributions in this forum will be very helpful to many people.

Re-the previous comment, if I had my own transport I was expected to travel upto 30-40 miles a day. This was certainly the case when I last applied for JSA, perhaps this has now changed and if you work there you can clarify.

Sharon87

I also find the JCP useless at giving me any relevant jobs. I've been on JSA for about 4 weeks now and she's already trying to push jobs nothing related to my career. Granted the JCP don't tend to have TV jobs on there (although I did see a job for an editor, which I'm not experienced enough for). I am perfectly happy applying for jobs myself, I know the industry and know where jobs are advertised (or not, as the case may be!).

i don't even have a non TV CV, well I do but it's now 3 years old! So applying for the non TV jobs and creating a CV for non TV work will take up my time, which can be used for searching jobs I can actually get! I've been working in TV for a year.

Another thing is, if I get a job in non TV I will leave it as soon as a TV job pops right up (even if it's only 2 weeks). Which is what I did last year. I worked at a cinema for just under a year, then quit to work on an 8 week TV job.

I can understand applying for anything if unemployment was longer, but 4 weeks?

dugdale_2

Andy,
Yes I do work as an adviser at JCP. At a new claim for JSA I tell all my customers that I expect them to travel up to 60 minutes from home to work by public transport and I add this to their jobseekers agreement as their "travel to work area".
I then ask the customer if they're reliant on public transport as I need to know if they're willing and able to start work before public transport starts running or after it's finished. The two issues are separate, the first is the minimum geographical area I would expect someone to be looking for work, the second being would they be able to start or finish work outside normal public transport hours.

mountainofdebt

Sharon87 wrote: »

I also find the JCP useless at giving me any relevant jobs. I've been on JSA for about 4 weeks now and she's already trying to push jobs nothing related to my career. Granted the JCP don't tend to have TV jobs on there (although I did see a job for an editor, which I'm not experienced enough for). I am perfectly happy applying for jobs myself, I know the industry and know where jobs are advertised (or not, as the case may be!).

i don't even have a non TV CV, well I do but it's now 3 years old! So applying for the non TV jobs and creating a CV for non TV work will take up my time, which can be used for searching jobs I can actually get! I've been working in TV for a year.

Another thing is, if I get a job in non TV I will leave it as soon as a TV job pops right up (even if it's only 2 weeks). Which is what I did last year. I worked at a cinema for just under a year, then quit to work on an 8 week TV job.

I can understand applying for anything if unemployment was longer, but 4 weeks?

Personally if you're claiming JSA, you should be prepared to take any job that you can be expected to do, by a reasonable person, regardles of what field its in.

If you want a job only in only a certain field and are not prepared to look at any other field in the meantime, then you shouldn't be allowed to claim JSA.

As I said before if you don't like the rules then don't play the game.

shaven-monkey

J-Pop wrote: »

I have been unemployed now for 3 months and the jobseeker people are expecting me to apply for any old job that is available, i want to work but there is nothing there.....i am getting asked if i have transport (which i don't....then they print out a job application for me which is about 15-20 miles away!)

15-20 miles is hardly any distance at all, ask them to provide you with the travel expenses

I was starting to get my debts into control before i was made redundant and now have payment protection starting but i am being sent for low paid jobs that would not even pay my bills never mind feed my family......can i refuse a job because of this?

Nope.
Going to interview does not actually mean you'll get the job especially if you were to ...say perform poorly at interview.

I am not lazy, i have started taking some microsoft certified courses to get the certificates for the IT stuff i know and am paying for a Japanese language course and doing some voluntary PC repair work but the jobseekers don't seem to be interested in that.....only wanting to push me out to any job available....and it is affecting my study now that they want to see me every week for the next month.

JCP aren't there to find you a perfect job for your skills or aspirations, they are there to stop your claim of JSA.
Unless your study is classroom based, I don't see how 1 day a week for JCP is going to disrupt your study at all.
The voluntary pc repair is preventing you from being available for work, technically you have a job at 0 pay. Other than getting a glowing reference from the PC guy, you gain nothing from doing it.

I'd recommend accepting the application forms they offer you and until you find work that meets your reqiurements you should perhaps practice your interview technique, read up on all those wonderful guidelines about what not to do at interview. Wear your decorating clothes for the interview, adopt a stammer for any customer facing role, stare out of the window at any interview for a role requiring constant vigiliance, make suggestions for efficiency at any role that just requires a body to move things. Emphasise how much smarter you are than the interviewer (they hate that).

Not sure how japanese language course is going to enhance your prospects but to each their own.

Talk to JCP about self employment, they'll like that because it means you change from claiming JSA to some other benefit altogether.

mountainofdebt

shaven-monkey wrote: »

15-20 miles is hardly any distance at all, ask them to provide you with the travel expenses
Nope.
Going to interview does not actually mean you'll get the job especially if you were to ...say perform poorly at interview.

JCP aren't there to find you a perfect job for your skills or aspirations, they are there to stop your claim of JSA.
Unless your study is classroom based, I don't see how 1 day a week for JCP is going to disrupt your study at all.
The voluntary pc repair is preventing you from being available for work, technically you have a job at 0 pay. Other than getting a glowing reference from the PC guy, you gain nothing from doing it.

I'd recommend accepting the application forms they offer you and until you find work that meets your reqiurements you should perhaps practice your interview technique, read up on all those wonderful guidelines about what not to do at interview. Wear your decorating clothes for the interview, adopt a stammer for any customer facing role, stare out of the window at any interview for a role requiring constant vigiliance, make suggestions for efficiency at any role that just requires a body to move things. Emphasise how much smarter you are than the interviewer (they hate that).

Not sure how japanese language course is going to enhance your prospects but to each their own.

Talk to JCP about self employment, they'll like that because it means you change from claiming JSA to some other benefit altogether.

And this sums up why the welfare state has turned into the monster it has.

It is exactly this sort of attitude that gives ammo to those who want to dismantle the welfare state entirely.

CCFC_80

dugdale wrote: »

Andy,
Yes I do work as an adviser at JCP. At a new claim for JSA I tell all my customers that I expect them to travel up to 60 minutes from home to work by public transport and I add this to their jobseekers agreement as their "travel to work area".
I then ask the customer if they're reliant on public transport as I need to know if they're willing and able to start work before public transport starts running or after it's finished. The two issues are separate, the first is the minimum geographical area I would expect someone to be looking for work, the second being would they be able to start or finish work outside normal public transport hours.

It's good to hear from people who work at The JCP, but for me it still remains unclear.

1). Can you clarify then out of interest how far away(in terms of miles) you would expect someone with their own transport to apply for a minimum wage job without being sanctioned ?

2). Would also someone with their own transport who refused to apply for a job be possibly sanctioned taking into account the person without transport couldn't of course apply for the same job because the hours would be outside public transport times ?

3). Also from what you are saying is the geographical area to look for jobs with the conditions that you imply, the same distance for people who have their own transport and for those without ?

As I said when I last claimed JSA the advisers obviously told me incorrectly or perhaps the rule has now changed that anyone with their own transport would be expected to drive to a job within the one hour rule. On my fortnightly appointments,They printed off for me jobs in towns upto 40 miles away which you could only get to with your own transport. This was not just once but several times which seems to suggest they have now changed the rules.

It still seems a bit of a mockery that the 1 hour travelling rule from your earlier post includes walking to the bus stop and waiting for your bus to arrive and to drop you off.Some people could live 2 minutes away from a bus stop whilst others could live up to 45 minutes away.

J-Pop

shaven-monkey wrote: »

15-20 miles is hardly any distance at all, ask them to provide you with the travel expenses
Nope.
Going to interview does not actually mean you'll get the job especially if you were to ...say perform poorly at interview.

JCP aren't there to find you a perfect job for your skills or aspirations, they are there to stop your claim of JSA.
Unless your study is classroom based, I don't see how 1 day a week for JCP is going to disrupt your study at all.
The voluntary pc repair is preventing you from being available for work, technically you have a job at 0 pay. Other than getting a glowing reference from the PC guy, you gain nothing from doing it.

I'd recommend accepting the application forms they offer you and until you find work that meets your reqiurements you should perhaps practice your interview technique, read up on all those wonderful guidelines about what not to do at interview. Wear your decorating clothes for the interview, adopt a stammer for any customer facing role, stare out of the window at any interview for a role requiring constant vigiliance, make suggestions for efficiency at any role that just requires a body to move things. Emphasise how much smarter you are than the interviewer (they hate that).

Not sure how japanese language course is going to enhance your prospects but to each their own.

Talk to JCP about self employment, they'll like that because it means you change from claiming JSA to some other benefit altogether.

Thanks for the info, guess i just need to apply for anything until i find something suitable.

My Japanese language course is not new, i have been learning online for about 5 years and thought i would pay for some extra tutoring locally.

cavework

Just been watching Secret Shopper channel 4.
maybe its time for Secret Job Centre ?