just been sacked for theft in retail

MrRedundant

milothewestie wrote: »

they said i can appeal 10 days they said worked there 10 years first ever shortage i havent pinched anything nor would i do

Who else had access to the till from the last time it can be proven the money was present.

If this answer is no one then don't waste your time.

milothewestie

Fruit_and_Nut_Case wrote: »

This, I presume.

hhhhhhhhh sod it ill name them

MrRedundant

milothewestie wrote: »

no just the manager,receipt of the till count,and manager has not been disciplined at all,just my word against his

Well no

Your word against his and corroborating business records. I wouldn't say your definitely finished but I don't fancy your chances. Would an argos not have CCTV?

MrRedundant

concerned43 wrote: »

Of course they need proof to sack you, you should have been suspended on full pay while they carried out an investigation.
Retail is no different from any other sector - your employment contract should detail their disiplinary proceedures (if you have one)!
but basically I would be seeking a claim in an employment tribunual.
And before you ask, I owed a retail store and had £30,000 stolen and it was hell to get the person sacked. I also had friends who owed a 'retail' outlet and their CCTV caught an employee helping herself to £20k out of the safe - they sacked her and she took them to a tribunal - she won!!! - because they did not follow the correct disiplinary proceedings!
best of luck!

An idea to know what your talking about. Yes there has to be a proper process but sacked without notice and theft go hand in hand as well as the potential for unpaid suspension.

The company can send her home on the spot stating unpaid suspension and call a 2 minute discliplinary meeting if notified correctly soon after to sack.

As for proof. No need to proof guilt; just that reasonable suspicion to believe person guilty.

milothewestie

concerned43 wrote: »

Of course they need proof to sack you, you should have been suspended on full pay while they carried out an investigation.
Retail is no different from any other sector - your employment contract should detail their disiplinary proceedures (if you have one)!
but basically I would be seeking a claim in an employment tribunual.
And before you ask, I owed a retail store and had £30,000 stolen and it was hell to get the person sacked. I also had friends who owed a 'retail' outlet and their CCTV caught an employee helping herself to £20k out of the safe - they sacked her and she took them to a tribunal - she won!!! - because they did not follow the correct disiplinary proceedings!
best of luck!

they suspended me on pay but i said it was the manager they should be looking at so they interviewed him and all they did was asked him questions about there procedure for counting the tills,no questions in his statement about the money going missing

milothewestie

MrRedundant wrote: »

Well no

Your word against his and corroborating business records. I wouldn't say your definitely finished but I don't fancy your chances. Would an argos not have CCTV?

they do have cctv in the store but not the cash office

wantsajob

Situation seems disgusting IMO.
a) this means pretty much anyone with a grudge or reason to get rid of anyone can dismiss them on a whim
b) why would someone risk their job for a quick £180 after 10 years?! Does not make any logical sense.

IMO it should be criminal charges, or repeated provable problems (their till etc, maybe on three occassions) = dismissal

MrRedundant

Tbh I would be amazed if a store like Argos didnt have proper safe and cash procedures to avoid people being alone with cash whenever not necessary and accessing the safe on your own would surely be a no no.

Im guessing the money went in the safe by the manager with some verification (i.e another person or timestamp or similar) and the count has been verified thus it was removed after.

concerned43

MrRedundant wrote: »

An idea to know what your talking about. Yes there has to be a proper process but sacked without notice and theft go hand in hand as well as the potential for unpaid suspension.

The company can send her home on the spot stating unpaid suspension and call a 2 minute discliplinary meeting if notified correctly soon after to sack.

As for proof. No need to proof guilt; just that reasonable suspicion to believe person guilty.

your the one that doesn't know what they are talking about! not only have I went through this personally (as an employer) with lawyers who do know what they are talking about I also work for CAB and have dealt with this for clients - whats your credentials?

milothewestie

MrRedundant wrote: »

Tbh I would be amazed if a store like Argos didnt have proper safe and cash procedures to avoid people being alone with cash whenever not necessary and accessing the safe on your own would surely be a no no.

Im guessing the money went in the safe by the manager with some verification (i.e another person or timestamp or similar) and the count has been verified thus it was removed after.

no it was only the one person putting money away,no verification,i was doing this cash office job for them by good will as well it is the managers job,he delegated the job to me but i never got any extra pay like i should of for this position