New House Misery

TheBex

I have a job. Shouldn't that make me working class?

I reckon dolescum are a new phenomenon and so they need a new class. That is people who, instead of working, elect to steal money from a system designed to keep the hapless alive. Being on benefits doesn't necessarily make someone dolescum and I think that point gets missed too often.

WHITEVANMAN

Gwhiz wrote: »

Thro

I heard today (although admittedly it was in the Express) that 75% of those on sickness benefit are fit to work. Even if it's 25% it totally unacceptable. The fact someone would choose not to work is alien to me, but it's obviously a massive issue.

I know a good few people who have chosen this route, my uncle for one chose to go on the disabilty, rather than seek work, he claims psycological issues, and although he does have some personal issues they are nothing that would stop him working, infact he worked for thirty years solid in one job (with these issues), he was made redundant and came out with a good payment, but he decided after three months he was unemployable and used his personal issues, with the doctors regularly supporting his case.
The system has supported him heavily and made available many opportunities to him either free or at vastly reduced cost.
Unfortunately for him after almost 12 years of relying on the state and cutting off family who have made many opportunites available to him, he now has few real friends, spends most of his time drinking in the parks and collecting junk, has no motivation to do anything of interest, and now has serious psychological issues exasperated by the path made easy for him.
We as a family have always tried to help him in anyway possible, he now accepts that he could have done many things better with his life, but with his simple comfortable existance, it was simply easier to be supported by the state, often turning down offers becasue he would lose the benefits.

He was encouraged to take the incapacity benefit route, when he was on unemployment by many who worked in the system.

The move to Incapacity really does help mask the real numbers of unemployed IMO.

gravitytolls

maxgwen wrote: »

All my dogs have been rescued from chavs from council estates. Yes they bark, they also get taken out unlike the poor little shitz hu who has no choice but to sit outside all day, i have never seen it on a lead going for a walk.

You know this for a fact do you?

We rescued dogs too, both came from posh hunting kennels.

See, both rescued, but just because they needed rescuing, doesn't mean they were owned by chavs.... just as likely elderly, sicl or those fallen on hard times.

WHITEVANMAN

gravitytolls wrote: »

You know this for a fact do you?

We rescued dogs too, both came from posh hunting kennels.

See, both rescued, but just because they needed rescuing, doesn't mean they were owned by chavs.... just as likely elderly, sicl or those fallen on hard times.

However the alleged Chav living next door is abusing the Shitz hu to some extent and may need rescuing too.

gravitytolls

mustrum_ridcully wrote: »

Very very roughly, you've got (in my view):

Benefits class - those living off benefits (IMHO these people are not working class and should never ever be described as such)
Working class - people working for a living in a job that doesn't require a professional qualification (from a shop worker to a call centre worker to a garage mechanic)
Middle class - people working for a living in a job that need professional qualifications (you must have a degree to do the job e.g. doctor, lawyer, university lecturer)

I know lots more than I used to living on benefits, funnnily enough both they and I still refer to them as working class.

Yes there is an underclass who have never worked, this is not a new phenomenon, the previous Tory administration oversaw much fiddling with the unemployment figures, hence the existance of Incapacity Benefit.

Despite the rhetoric, it suits governments to have an underclass, there will never be the will to change this. Nonetheless, to tar all in receipt of benefits thus, is hugely unfair.

gravitytolls

WHITEVANMAN wrote: »

However the alleged Chav living next door is abusing the Shitz hu to some extent and may need rescuing too.

If the RSPCA find food in the cupboards, no sign of injury, they'll do nowt.

I once contacted them about a GS. Her neighbour, my friend, told me the dog was left for days at a time, the grass was 3 feet high (it was), it never went out.

They visited, called me back, sais the dog was thin, but not starving, there was food in the house, the water bowl had water in it. She told them she had lots of problems with HER neighbours, as everyone wanted her out.

This was true, she was an addict, children in and out of guardianship of GP's, cars turning up at all hours of the day and night etc.

As I lived 12 miles away, her lifestyle was of no concern to me, I doubt the RSPCA believed me, and I've a feeling I was played by my friend.

Anyhoo, upshot is, they only take pets if they're in dire danger.

spendapennyortwo

I have a relative who is living off benefits, he can't be bothered working but the route he has taken is to claim Carer's Allowance for his autistic son, so that means he's the full-time carer, and the mum is 'self employed' but raking in the WTCs whilst she earns hardly any money from her business. It's just a joke. Both parents are always at home.

I do get annoyed when I hear stories of people just not even attempting to go out and find a job - whilst the rest of us have to earn a living just to keep others in the lifestyle they so enjoy.

gravitytolls

spendapennyortwo wrote: »

I have a relative who is living off benefits, he can't be bothered working but the route he has taken is to claim Carer's Allowance for his autistic son, so that means he's the full-time carer, and the mum is 'self employed' but raking in the WTCs whilst she earns hardly any money from her business. It's just a joke. Both parents are always at home.

I do get annoyed when I hear stories of people just not even attempting to go out and find a job - whilst the rest of us have to earn a living just to keep others in the lifestyle they so enjoy.

That's the point, you're supposed to get annoyed about it, it stops you focusing too cloisely on how the government are squandering your hard earned cash.