£1.40 a litre

wotsthat

Really2 wrote: »

1 in 26440 car users die per year
1 in 43478 cyclists die.

In general it seems half as likely of being killed or being a casualty.

I am surprised by that.

It's because the figures are per user. If they were in deaths per mile travelled I'm sure cycling wouldn't look so attractive.

I'll still be out this weekend though. Overall the benefits are on the side of exercise and fitness.

michaels

I found it bliss during the fuel protests, so many were off the road with no petrol and everyone else was driving the inside lane of the motorway at 65 - I had enough and was able to halve my journey times Currently I don't drive that much so would be pretty happy to see others priced off the road. Does this come across as at all selfish?

PasturesNew

I just looked mine up, 60 litre tank, so £1.40 would be £84 to fill up, but, I do get 60mpg out of it.

PasturesNew

michaels wrote: »

I found it bliss during the fuel protests, so many were off the road with no petrol and everyone else was driving the inside lane of the motorway at 65 - I had enough and was able to halve my journey times Currently I don't drive that much so would be pretty happy to see others priced off the road. Does this come across as at all selfish?

Yes. Most people aren't living in the country because they're wealthy and want a fabulously large house with room for a pony - they do it because houses are cheaper than in the towns and they can't afford one closer.

So, if you live in the country, it's most likely that you're poorer to start with. Jobs pay less too ... and you have to drive for everything.

Or, they were born/brought up in those areas and didn't move away.

AD9898_2

Puddleglum wrote: »

I have a 20 mile commute from home to work and have wondered about the possibility of cycling - but the last 3 or 4 miles are on a very busy road.:eek:
Maybe as petrol prices rise, not only will alternative sources of energy become more viable but cycling will become safer as there will be more pootling bikes and fewer juggernauts on the road.

Interesting, but fuel has gone up by 35% in 18 months, and I still don't see any fuel on the horizon that can be used by planes/trucks/ships/cars on a scale that the western economies can use.

And as far as juggernauts go, everything that you buy in a shop from clothes, food and all household goods will have travelled on the back of an artic at some point. Without them, the economy would pretty much grind to a halt.

FTBFun

Really2 wrote: »

Thats why it is best used in places with dedicated bike lanes (mixed pavements are best). Perhaps the message is not do not cycle. But be aware of the dangers (don't pull up the side of a lorry turning left etc), wear a helmet and high visability no matter how uncool it is.
Also to increase the penalty of causing death by "not seeing people".

Or you could do what bike couriers do, and cycle like a madman, through red lights, across busy intersections etc.

I saw one pull out in front of a bus once - the driver slammed on the brakes and beeped his horn - and the [STRIKE]scumbag[/STRIKE] courier promptly gave him the finger.

Although saying that, some moron walked out in front of a cyclist, into a cycle lane near where I live this week causing the cyclist to fall off his bike.

Davesnave

AD9898 wrote: »

Interesting, but fuel has gone up by 35% in 18 months, and I still don't see any fuel on the horizon that can be used by planes/trucks/ships/cars on a scale that the western economies can use.

And as far as juggernauts go, everything that you buy in a shop from clothes, food and all household goods will have travelled on the back of an artic at some point. Without them, the economy would pretty much grind to a halt.

It's worse than that though. In order to produce food at prices people are used to, large quantities of oil are used to make artificial fertilizer. For this reason, food prices are going to be under pressure from two directions.

Even people like me, with good access to animal poo, must feed those animals in the first place, so the increased cost of fertilizer still hits home in higher feed prices.

Asheron

Who would have guessed it would get this high...

AD9898_2

Davesnave wrote: »

It's worse than that though. In order to produce food at prices people are used to, large quantities of oil are used to make artificial fertilizer. For this reason, food prices are going to be under pressure from two directions.

Even people like me, with good access to animal poo, must feed those animals in the first place, so the increased cost of fertilizer still hits home in higher feed prices.

Of course you are correct, the earth can sustain approx 2 billion people without the fertilizers. The simple proof of this is take a look at the earth's population over the last 1000 years, broadly flat, rising slightly until around about 1930, then we see a massive increase, the reason for this, well it's pretty obvious. Cheap and abundant oil.

Ditto

What about disabled people?

The Government recognise that some/most need a car to get around, as they can't use buses, bikes, walk etc so give them DLA mobility cars.
Will they also get petrol vouchers to run their cars, as they may not have jobs to absorb the increase in petrol prices, or will they have to stay at home?