9 wks old pup, wee and poo on paper in day, mess in cage/crate at night

Beckyy

My advice would be this:

1. Totally get rid of any newspaper or puppy training pads. They will confuse your puppy as they are telling it her that it's okay to go to the toilet indoors. It might mean that you do have more accidents to clear up, but it's much fairer on your puppy.

2. Keep a diary of any accidents that your puppy has, any times she goes outside and the times she is fed. From this you might be able to get a rough idea of when she will needing to go.

3. Take her outside into your garden regularly. After every meal, every play time, every exciting time and at least once an hour. The general rule of thumb that I know is a puppy can hold their bladder one hour for every month of their age, meaning that your pup shouldn't be expected to hold it anymore than 2 hours - at a push.

4. If you find she is having accidents during the night get up and take her outside for the toilet. Do not leave anything for her to go on during the night, as it's totally detroying the toilet training work that you do during the day and telling her she can go indoors. I used to set my alarm for about 3am when our dog was a pup and take him out then, over time you can extend the time you get up by 15 minutes, then 30 minutes, then 1 hour, then 2 hours, then not at all.

5. Clean up any accidents with a good quality enzyme based pet cleaner, or diluted biological washing powder. These will get rid of any scents properly. As dogs are creatures of habit they are more likely to go in a place if it smells of their wee, and they have much better senses than us - the scent will remain to them unless cleaned with these.

6. Never tell your puppy off for any accidents. Accidents are an owners fault and not the dogs, and your dog will never pee indoors through spite - dog's don't understand the concept. If you find her peeing indoors, give her a gently but firm 'No', pick her up and take her outside to finish.

7. Use command words everytime your dog goes outside. I use 'go pee' and 'poo' (maybe pick better ones if you'l be saying them in public later on!). Say the command every time your dog goes outside, followed by praise. Don't say the command when they don't go until you know they have learnt it (usually a couple of months at least) otherwise it will lose it's meaning. For now, stick to saying it when she produces in the right place, so that she can understand the connection.

8. Don't expect your pup to be able to tell you that she needs to go yet. when she's this age the urge to go will come suddenly and she won't be able to hold it, so she needs to go quickly. For the next couple of months you have to learn any tiny signs that mean she needs to go.

In the garden to practise toilet training IS fine, by 'not going outside' your breeder/vet mean going into public areas where other dogs are. Your garden counts as part of your house, which is probably why they haven't bothered to specifically say 'you can take her into the garden but not outside in the streets' This is a VITAL time for training, and you NEED to take your pup into the garden for toilet training. If you need to verify this call your vet and ask if them to tell you that it's okay to take your pup into the garden to go to the toilet - I can guarantee they will say yes.

The whining at night sounds like a little bit of seperation anxiety, which can be quite normal for puppies. There's a few things that you can do to aid this, practice leaving your puppy for a few minutes at the time during the day regularly. Consider leaving a radio on for her at night, the noise might help to soothe her a little and break the silence. Try not to go to her if she does cry, as she will learn that this gets your attention and she could start to use it purely for attention seeking.

Good luck, and let us know how she gets on! :j

Jojo_the_Tightfisted

If I remember right, you work shifts, OP? Perhaps you could stagger out times - as I understand it, the no going out refers to out in the park, etc were they can come into contact with other dogs, not out in the safety of the back garden.

Say, one visit at midnight by your OH, the next by you when you get up for work?


I think it just has to be regular, frequent visits out.


(But crying is going to be normal for a pup just separated from its mum a couple of days ago. Being warm and in a gentle light is no substitute for being in the litter.)

tango

I must have been lucky . Our Pointer goes to bed at 10.30 and wakes at 6.30,no pees or poo's since 12 week's

To begin at 8 weeks she had the run of the kitchen and the door left open on her crate with newspaper down,for a while she did poo and wee at night,but I never got up to let her out. During the day she was out every half hour. Then we moved her to the utility area where she sleeps with her crate door open,and never wee'd or pooed after that. I suspect it was just the small area outside her crate that she didn't, want to soil... so this helped

She does go in her crate for 3 hours with door shut when I am at work.

And I do walk her alot now during the day..she keeps me fit !!

longwalks1

morning all!

Right, we left puppys crate open last night, paper out in front of it, smal llight on and cartoons on TV (she loves tv already). not one whine, no crying and only 2 poo's on the paper (which we cleaned up the 2 times we went down to check). Will start taking her outside today, we dont have a back garden and out front our neighbour has a really friendly labrador who's about 2 and always bouncing around, so wil ltime our trip out to miss her trips out

She's eaten this morning at 8am, chilled for a bit then done her business on the paper half hr later, so am already starting to write down times

aliasojo

britishboy wrote: »

....smal llight on and cartoons on TV (she loves tv already).

Aw bless. You are soooo making a rod for your own back though. :rotfl:

I realise you're trying to make things easier for the wee soul but honestly, it's best to get her used to her own company and quiet times at an early age.

(It'll also save your electricity bills from getting higher. )

We need pics.

twinklie

Our little monster (all 6 stone of her) LOVES TV. If she's watching something and we turn over she glares at you and if you don't change it back she comes and sits RIGHT in front of you and stares at you! It's pretty funny and I've not idea where she got it from. If you put what she was watching back on she goes back to lying in front of the TV.

We have to tell her to go to bed now just to make her stop staring...but I'm secretly hoping she does it to my dad next time he's round. He has a bad habit of taking over the tv. He'll really freak out, especially when we tell him she's never done it before! :rotfl:

Beckyy

Just a warning about using paper though - think about when/how you're going to stop, because (no offence intended) it's one of the worst things you can do when toilet training. Will you be moving it to the door, or totally getting rid of it? Your puppy will find it difficult to learn to hold it or where she's really meant to go if she thinks it's acceptable to go on paper indoors.

Good luck

hoogervaaner

Glad you are finding a solution OP. When I had a pup (13 weeks, medium breed) I was in a cottage with my bedroom next to the kitchen where she slept, if the pup squeaked in the night I would get up and pop her out. This was about twice a night, if I slept through I was treated to the unforgettable squidge of puppy poo between my toes. It took about a month for her to develop the ability to hold it for a full night. My Mum laughed herself silly at the tired state of me due to my nocturnal activities but I had a very contented little pup

Flyboy152

britishboy wrote: »

our 9 week old cav pup, picked her up thursday evening, we managed to get her to go to the toilet on newspaper we put just outside her bed (which we keep inside a cage/crate with door open all day and close at night), but at night as soon as we turn downstairs light off, she whines for ages the nwhen we come down in the morning she's poo'd in the cage, and walked it all through her bed and over her toys

Any suggestions please? We cant take her outsside til Friday as she olny had her 2nd jabs 2 days ago, so will take her out every half hour from friday, but hows best to deal with toilet probs at night?

Thanks in advance

Kind of answered your own question there.

Mupette

well done on a better night

can i suggest that as soon as pup is allowed out to play you arrange with your neighbour some pup play dates with her dog, very good for socialization, something unfortunately i was unable to do, couldnt even get my pup to classes as he was a major puker in the car.

so mine gets antsy around other dogs but not aggressive unless they are on his turf, which needs sorting i know as we are looking at another pup for company and sepharation anxiety for pup.

I am home all day have garden and closed in with high fences, so might have to resort to a puppy pen of some sorts if we do get a pup