MMR & autism Not just bad science but also falsified

jackieglasgow

There have been two measles deaths I think, one in 2006 and one in 2008, one was six and one was a teenager I am sure. Off to Google


ETA found this I was wrong, there have been four.

poet123

So no deaths of healthy children then. The two cases (the teenager was from a travelling family if memory serves) were both in children with underlying ( and previously diagnosed) health issues.

jackieglasgow

They all seem to have been from children with other underlying health conditions.

Nicki

jackieglasgow wrote: »

They all seem to have been from children with other underlying health conditions.

The link you posted showed 4 deaths since 2006, with only 2 linked to associated health conditions. So the fact is that 2 had no underlying conditions, and the other 2 were killed not by the underlying condition itself, but by the combination of it and measles. This does not include the children left blind or partially sighted, or deaf from measles.

poet123

Nicki wrote: »

The link you posted showed 4 deaths since 2006, with only 2 linked to associated health conditions. So the fact is that 2 had no underlying conditions, and the other 2 were killed not by the underlying condition itself, but by the combination of it and measles. This does not include the children left blind or partially sighted, or deaf from measles.

No, the other two deaths were in older people not children as show by this;

n 2006 there was one measles death in a 13 years old male who had an underlying lung condition and was taking immunosuppressive drugs. Another death in 2008 was also due to acute measles in unvaccinated child with congenital immunodeficiency whose condition did not require treatment with immunoglobulin. Prior to 2006, the last death from acute measles was in 1992. All other measles deaths, since 1992, shown above are in older individuals and were caused by the late effects of measles. These infections were acquired during the 1980s or earlier, when epidemics of measles occurred.

Nicki

So, it doesn't count then if you die several years later as a result of measles in your youth? I'd rather my offspring didn't die at all from a preventable cause, even if they were adults at the time of their deaths rather than dependent children.

poet123

Nicki wrote: »

So, it doesn't count then if you die several years later as a result of measles in your youth? I'd rather my offspring didn't die at all from a preventable cause, even if they were adults at the time of their deaths rather than dependent children.

In a developed country it is obvious from those figures that no healthy children die of Measles, and the complication most prevalent is a chest infection. Therefore, the liklihood of your child dying is infinitesimal.

There is no point in debating this as there are numerous older threads which have a lot of interesting and thought provoking links within them, to go over the same ground is pointless.

All I would say is that currently and historically there is a much greater risk of children(healthy and otherwise) dying from, or having complications from Flu....yet they are not being routinely vaccinated.

My kids have all had Measles, as have I and my OH,and almost every member of our extended families none of us had any long term issues.


It is down to personal choice whether to vaccinate or not, I choose to selectively vaccinate and they had only those vaccinations which I considered to be worth the risk, not those for "normal" childhood illnesses which for those with a good immune system pose little threat.

GlasweJen

Here's a question to add to this. If MMR causes a switch to "turn on" autism, how many adults develop autistic traits after being immunised in pregnancy or for travelling abroad?

poet123

GlasweJen wrote: »

Here's a question to add to this. If MMR causes a switch to "turn on" autism, how many adults develop autistic traits after being immunised in pregnancy or for travelling abroad?

From the research I have read it seems to be underdeveloped immune systems i.e babies and young children that could have issues, not adults.

GlasweJen

You get immunocompromised adults though who presumably still travel and fall pregnant. Surely if the "key to the lock" theory holds there must be some adults out there who have developed autistic traits as a result of getting an MMR and having an underlying condition (diagnosed or not)?