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  • Paradigm
    Paradigm Posts: 3,663 Forumite
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    Inactive wrote: »
    Obviously the court didn't think so.

    Magistrates with little or no legal training. Let's see how in goes in "proper" court!
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  • Inactive
    Inactive Posts: 14,509 Forumite
    Paradigm wrote: »
    Magistrates with little or no legal training. Let's see how in goes in "proper" court!

    It was a proper court, magistrates are deemed by the law of the land to be capable of making a judgement.
  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    anotherbaldrick wrote: »
    If by a flash of the lights someone prevented a road traffic offence being committed that is no crime in my book. It was said on the radio that if the person charged had instructed a lawyer he would never have been convicted as case law exists to prove the flash was not an offence. Expect the conviction to be overturned on appeal.
    But the point was that the driver prevented the police officer from catching those who were already speeding. It is a similar premise to someone tipping off a gang of bank robbers that the police were inside the bank waiting for them.
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    easy wrote: »
    Utterly ridiculous conviction. The motorist was stopping other people from committing an offence, he was not obstructing a police officer from catching someone who HAD committed an offence !!

    Is it wrong then to persuade someone not to commit a burglary?

    Or if a guy is about to start a fight, is it wrong to say "don't, it's not worth it", on the basis that you are interfering with an opportunity for the police to arrest someone for GBH?
    No he wasn't, he was preventing a police officer from finding out that they were committing offences. If they were already speeding, they had already committed the offence.
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • Gene_Hunt_2
    Gene_Hunt_2 Posts: 3,902 Forumite
    Paradigm wrote: »
    Magistrates with little or no legal training. Let's see how in goes in "proper" court!

    Only Lay Magistrates fall into that catagory and that's why there is a clerk of the court who is fully trained.;)
  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    cyclonebri1 wrote: »
    That's exactly the way I see it, UI think the real mistake he made was not using a legal professional.:( Sad that you should have to do under those circs but as said PC plod doesn't want his conviction rate reducing even if it slows drivers down:A
    Yes...because that's exactly why police officers arrest peopel. :(
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    anotherbaldrick wrote: »
    Speed cameras cannot significantly reduce road accidents.


    The D of T 2007 data on Contributory factors to Accidents, Reference 7, Table 4b: Contributory factors by severity, shows that “exceeding the speed limit”, which is all that speed cameras can determine and enforce, accounted for less than 3.5% of the contributory factors for fatal and serious accidents.
    Even if speed cameras where totally effective at preventing speeding, which they are Not !
    .
    Contributory factor to KSI accidents Number Percentage
    .
    1. Failed to look properly 6864 .11.96%
    2. Loss of control 4912 .8.56%
    3. Careless, reckless or in a hurry 4135 .7.21%
    4. Pedestrian failed to look properly 3487 .6.08%
    5. Failed to judge other person’s path or speed 3386 . 5.90%
    6. Poor turn or manoeuvre 3241 .5.65%
    7. Travelling too fast for conditions 2738 .4.77%
    8. Exceeding speed limit 1993 .3.47%
    9. Impaired by alcohol 1773 .3.09%
    10. Slippery road (due to weather) 1729 .3.01%
    Total 57383 100%
    How does that compare with statistics before speeding cameras were used?
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • Gene_Hunt_2
    Gene_Hunt_2 Posts: 3,902 Forumite
    Flyboy152 wrote: »
    Yes...because that's exactly why police officers arrest peopel. :(

    Police arrest people so thay can answer to an alleged or suspected offence.;)
  • Flyboy152
    Flyboy152 Posts: 17,118 Forumite
    diable wrote: »
    nah its his own fault that he got caught and stupid enough to get taken to court as you can usually blag your way out of things like this reminds me of being chased by a Police car around Parliament Square last year but thats another story
    What worries me about this particular story is that he said the officer was going to let him off with a warning, but he argued with the office and the officer decided he was annoyed enough to make the punishment harder. If there is anything that concerns anyone here, it should be that.
    The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark
  • Paradigm
    Paradigm Posts: 3,663 Forumite
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    Gene_Hunt wrote: »
    Only Lay Magistrates fall into that catagory and that's why there is a clerk of the court who is fully trained.;)

    Obviously not trained well enough http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2005/2333.html
    Always try to be at least half the person your dog thinks you are!
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