Boxing day tube strikes

mynameisdave

alastairq wrote: »

anyway...8 weeks isn't such a big deal for holidays...I get 30 days leave, plus all bank holidays..even the Queen's birthday.....plus all the Xmas/New year period off.........on top of that, I can have 14 days sick in any 12 month period, no questions asked [if you have the right answers, that is]......and I'm in a Union...and I'm a public service worker

Not a very good one if you are factoring in permissable sick leave as standard annual leave, as you appear to be doing so here.

Stigy

mynameisdave wrote: »

Not a very good one if you are factoring in permissable sick leave as standard annual leave, as you appear to be doing so here.

You're allowed 13-days sick leave where I work, and it has been known for some people to take it as an extention of their annual leave entitlement. I do believe Civil Servants are pressured in to taking their sick leave....

bigjl

Ah, Stigy you have focussed on people not going into the tunnels for fear of secondary devices, read some of the transcripts from the coroners inquest and you will see that it was the heros in the LFB that bailed out of the tunnels, so get your facts straight.

Now we see why you are so agressive and narky, you are a tube driver, well if you think you are being treated so harshly you need to strike then you should leave the underground and get a job elsewhere, as there will be many different employers these days wiling to give you the best part of £50k a year for moving a lever back and forth.



The only reason and I do mean THE ONLY reason tube drivers make such exorbitant salaries is nothing to do with what the job entails but the economic cost that your selfish actions and bullying union have forced on the economy of London, and I will have a little snigger if they ever adapt the technology from the DLR onto the LU.

You have a nice little easy number, you know it, we know it, the public knows it, the government knows it and TFL knows it. But now having your easy number, free taxis to work and home for the early and late finishers, boilers instead of kettles at rest positions and other perks are starting to be eroded due to your excessive and greedy wage demands.


To address you other points do you really think many of the Emergency Services had seen such carnage either? Some of them where less than 6 months out of University.

Do you think we are super human, nope just people doing a days work for a days pay, and a physically and emotionally demanding job at that, if you can't see how your demands for more and more money for a job anybody could do with a couple of days training are unreasonable, more so in these days of the financial downturn beggars belief.

The simple fact is when the tube staf had a chance to shine and show their worth they bricked it as you said, and the reports that where on the news about the heroic actions of a couple of tube drivers then well done to them, they showed they have some nuts in their cluster, not that anybody that i have spoken to actually seen them in the tunnel.


As far as the jobs I mentioned being NHS jobs that was to show that a job that requires a Degree and ongoing training and professional development and is stressful and intellectually challenging is paid less than an unskilled job that uses the threat of strike action and the kind of militancy that nearly ruined this country in the 70's and 80's to further its own quest for extra remuneration.


You say your job is more than pushing a lever? What other controls do you have other than stop and go, you can't turn left or right, though I see you never thought to disagree that the driver at Cannon Street was out of his box on reefer when he hit the buffers though did you.



The simple fact is your Union allowed this clause about Bank Holiday pay and the non payment of enhanced rates falling on weekends to go through, so moan at your Union and stop going on strike, or better yet, quit your job and go elsewhere, there are thousands on unskilled jobs that pay nearly £50k a year, aren't there?

Jeff_Bridges_hair

bigjl wrote: »

Ah, Stigy you have focussed on people not going into the tunnels for fear of secondary devices, read some of the transcripts from the coroners inquest and you will see that it was the heros in the LFB that bailed out of the tunnels, so get your facts straight.

Now we see why you are so agressive and narky, you are a tube driver, well if you think you are being treated so harshly you need to strike then you should leave the underground and get a job elsewhere, as there will be many different employers these days wiling to give you the best part of £50k a year for moving a lever back and forth.

Stigy is not a tube driver. he is an 'Accredited person' who can write out tickets for car parking in railway car parks allegedly under the by-laws but yet doesn't understand that if you infringe on the by-laws then you have to give a notice of intended prosecution. As stated in the APCOA thread.

Even on pepipoo they agree and yet he still doesn't get it. Then again reading this thread it appears he thinks driving a proper train is the same as driving a tube train..

HTH

Livingthedream

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

As stated in the APCOA thread.

Is that the thread started by Sassy-one :rotfl:, TBH Large pinches of salt are required when reading that thread and not from anything that stigy posted.

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

Even on pepipoo they agree and yet he still doesn't get it. Then again reading this thread it appears he thinks driving a proper train is the same as driving a tube train..

HTH

Again, to the public an underground train looks and runs like a normal train, so why shouldn't people think they are the same to drive?

alastairq

free taxis to work and home for the early and late finishers, boilers instead of kettles at rest positions and other perks are starting to be eroded due to your excessive and greedy wage demands.

Taxis? probably cheaper and more efficient as a guarantee of attendance than the old LT travel pass....Especially when so much of the old-style late, early or overnight public transport has disappeared either due to being non-profit making..or simply, unable to employ staff willing to do such a rubbish job?


As for 'boilers instead of kettles?'

This is rather expecting any employee of any firm to 'make do' when everybody else is at the same standard....a boiler is cheaper and more efficient for the boiling of water for hot drinks [gonna deny the tube workers hot drinks on their rest breaks, are we??].....which is a reason why boilers have been installed at my place-of-work....

but then, apart from those of you who happen to have mobile workplaces...don't the rest of you all have cold water machines to slake your thirst..sorry, modern terminology needed here...''hydration?''

As for driver skills? Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again.....a train driver needs as much skill as a modern airline pilot.

[and I notice no-one happens to mention the number of airline pilots who turn up intoxicated or drugged up to their eyeballs?]....it's all a matter of technologies, that's all.

And in the end, they have the same responsibilities, to their passengers.


The biggest issue with skills is that these days, managements make every effort to de-skill their workforces...they cannot cope with line-managing skilled people, if they don't possess those skills themselves.

If a workforce has to acquire skills, or have proven experience, then that gives them a bargaining edge.

And there's nothing Joe Public hates more than when the servants start revolting, creating what amounts to a minor inconvenience in the greater scheme of things.

Oh...and pepipoo is hardly the height of credibility.

alastairq

mynameisdave wrote: »

Not a very good one if you are factoring in permissable sick leave as standard annual leave, as you appear to be doing so here.

nope, no factoring...simply noting an addition......especially as even on sick leave, standard salary continues....

I do believe Civil Servants are pressured in to taking their sick leave....

Nope....yet another example of urban myth [like the other one, where we all wear suits and ties, and have clean finger nails]....

Line management have a duty to monitor casual sick leave....the '14 day' period I quoted is the time allowed by the central Pay body's computer, before it sends out a snottogram.

However,I can see where you'd get the idea from..[the newspapers?}....a few years ago I suffered an injury at work [industrial...should've seen the blood!]....Once fixed [not at my place-of-work, either]....I was ok, reasonably active, ie could drive......yet....the Ministry I work for had developed a policy which basically stated, if one was not 'fit' to actually do all of one's job,the individual was to remain on sick leave until deemed fit.

This was to eliminate the 'sick, lame & lazy' parade]....didn't look good on paper!


So I got sent home, with what amounted to a nasty finger...for a whole month, on full pay...did wonders for my garden!

Previous management policy, and the policy which subsequently was put in place, required that, if an individual was medically unfit to do their actual job, as a whole....but fit enough to do parts of it, then that individual should be placed in a position where they can continue working, subject to their health imitations.


Do you lot wonder we don't take full advantage of the system as it stands?

Rossy.

alastairq wrote: »

As for driver skills? Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again.....a train driver needs as much skill as a modern airline pilot..

you usually talk alot of sense but you've failed with this comment

An airline pilot training course lasts for usually 5 or so years. you need degree's etc to fly a plane.

Anybody with an arm can drive a train

It's fixed to 2 blinking rails. They've only go to start and stop it/slow down for signals etc. It's not in slightest bit difficult is it

And yes i know. My best mate works on the Northern line from Morden as a tube driver and he says it's the easiest thing he's ever done

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Just out of interest, what is the starting salary for a tube driver? I have set it down as one of my career goals to 'earn more than a tube driver' and i'd like to know how i'm doing

Livingthedream

ringo_24601 wrote: »

Just out of interest, what is the starting salary for a tube driver? I have set it down as one of my career goals to 'earn more than a tube driver' and i'd like to know how i'm doing

Average Salary for 2010 = £37,800

But according to this 2009 'The Times newspaper statement' starting salary is more than £40000