Asylum Seeker Can Stay

JOHN1982

marleyboy wrote: »

Completely inaccurate, ANYBODY who kills another with a vehicle and does a runner would and DO cause equal outrage. Whether Black,White, Male or Female.

Unless you can provide facts and figures to back your claim up with, you indeed ARE being pedant.

His asylum status should indeed be revoked if he chooses to breach the very laws this Country lays down to him, regardless of his personal issues in his homeland.

The 'pedant' remark wasn't aimed at that, but fine;

How many of these stories has raised on MSE as a topic of debate?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=%22Hit%20and%20run%22

Hit and run comparison.

Old white guy kills TWO different pedestrians on different occasions, one 32, one 70;
News Story
Discussed on MSE = No. Comments on Daily Mail = 16.

White bus driver kills young Singaporean student in London.
News Story
Discussed on MSE = NO. Comments on Daily Mail = 37.

Asylum seeker kills a young, white girl;
News Story
Discussed on MSE = Yes (multiple threads). Comments on Daily Mail = 581.

Any more of these you want me to compare for your facts and figures?

My friend was almost killed by a regular couple in a hit-and-run in Lancashire. They left him for dead. Didn't even make the local press.

His asylum status had already been revoked when this all happened. He was to be deported as a failed asylum seeker. He now has a family in the UK by an English citizen. He has English children. The immigration service have decided that to deport him would breach all their human rights.

BTW, voting for the BNP will not help. People in Europe will always have an inherent right to their human rights and people will always have the right to claim asylum in the UK. If (God forbid) the BNP party would have been in power, this still would have happened.

marleyboy

BNP???? Since when did I mention those scumbags????

Sorry, but I never have nor would read the Daily Mail, but am more than prepared to post an array of news reports re hit and run, from the BBC to the Evening News.

My Niece WAS killed by a hit n run driver, so when it comes to being outraged at Hit n Run incidents, it matters not what race the driver is to me, the sympathy vote goes out of the window, as does their human rights.

leveller2911

JOHN1982 wrote: »

Without wanting to be a pedant, neither of the bolded points are true.

The four months he served were for "driving while disqualified and failing to stop after an accident" and he didn't drive off, he ran off, with the car still on the victim.

I totally agree with Takecareofthepennies. This has been mis-reported by pretty much every news agency I've seen it on. His asylum status should have nothing to do with his hit-and-run in any way. If it was a middle-aged, white, working class woman without a criminal record that had done the same thing to an average Joe the press should have been equally outraged. They wouldn't be and they haven't been in the past. This story seems to suit press sentiments, especially The Daily Hatemail.

He has served the time that for the crime he commited as was passed down by our judicial system and he has been allowed to stay in this country because it is one of his human rights to have a stable family life.

That's the counrty we live in. Want a more strict regime? Move to Iraq.

This is typical of the lefty crap this country has suffered for the last 13yrs.Let me remind you under international law a person must claim asylum in the 1st free country they enter.He did NOT he came all the way across Europe to get here, therefore he did NOT comply with international Law.
Fact 1: He should NOT have been allowed to claim asylum here(see above)
Fact 2: He was denied asylum twice.....

Fact 3: He had broken the law of the land on more than one occasion..Driving without a lisence,driving whilst disqualified, then Murdering a young girl and running off.


I was watching Sky3 The other evening and there was a Brazilian guy who was trying to get back into the UK to see his husband, he was due in court for being found in pocession of drugs.He had also had a fake Italian passport and not to mention overstaying his Visa on 2 seperate occasions.......After some investigation he was denied entry due to "Not being the type of person that we want to visist the UK"......

This scumbag,child murdering Iraqi Kurd I hope gets exactly what he derserves...."Why should this country accept this child murderer? and he is a murderer make no mistake....

John this Country can feel proud of taking in people in genuine fear of their lives , we have done it for centuries but don't be naive to think the majority of present day refugees are anything other than economic migrants.It has nothing to do with the Daily Mail etc.

Personally I don't read newspapers, I prefer to watch various news programmes and make up my own mind so no point accusing me of being a Mail reader.....;)


The piece of legislation that causes so much grief and mis carriages of Justice is the Humam Rights Act, bit of a joke considering its title and the sooner any Government in power has some guts and pull the UK out of it the better.


The truth is if the Iraqi Kurd had been deported then this little girl would still be alive.......Shame on Gutless Nu-Labour and shame on the Tories too.


It really is black and white, its a very clear case , he has no respect for the laws of the country.

darkpool

Surely the most basic human right is the right to life? If this hit and run driver doesn't respect other peoples human rights why should his rights be respected? Why does his new family not move to Iraq so they can enjoy "family life"?

If a failed asylum seeker with a string of convictions isn't thrown out the country I think it shows the asylum system is seriously flawed. Like it or not people read about cases like this and get angry about it. I for one think voting BNP is one of the few ways to make politicians realise how concerned I am about asylum/ immigration. Let's face it every single election the politicians say how they are going to reduce immigration then you see stories like this.

JOHN1982

marleyboy wrote: »

BNP???? Since when did I mention those scumbags????

Sorry, but I never have nor would read the Daily Mail, but am more than prepared to post an array of news reports re hit and run, from the BBC to the Evening News.

My Niece WAS killed by a hit n run driver, so when it comes to being outraged at Hit n Run incidents, it matters not what race the driver is to me, the sympathy vote goes out of the window, as does their human rights.

You didn't, but then you're not the only one posting in this thread.

I don't read the Mail either, but I knew it would illustrate a point. I'm pretty sure I could have done the same thing with most of the tabloids and showed the same result.

Perhaps your emotions, from your experiences, differ from the majority. I wasn't trying to play hit-and-run top trumps with you.

There are many points in this story that I feel should in some way be separated in the media, but aren't. Are people;

• Annoyed at the hit-and-run (as you said, everything else about him is irrelevant then)? If so then he has served a paltry sentence and they should be angry at this point and the loss of life.
• Annoyed at his asylum status? If so then it has been decided that he is allowed to stay in the country because he now has a family. Be annoyed that he is a human and he and his family have rights with the UK, the EU and the world.
• Annoyed that he wasn't deported? He was already a failed asylum seeker when this happened. Be annoyed at the UKBA for bailing him and not deporting him quicker.
• Annoyed at the fact he's a criminal? Get angry about the fact that we don't have more strict jail terms for the crimes he was commiting!
• Annoyed at the UK? Then move, you live here by choice!

I think the crime he commited was appaling and how he only got 4 months for it is beyond me. Forgoing his human rights and deporting him won't bring that girl back though.

neilwoods

Forgoing his human rights and deporting him won't bring that girl back though.


But it may save the life of someone else, maybe the lives of his own kids. This person has shown he isn't going to stop driving or stop committing crimes.

JOHN1982

leveller2911 wrote: »

Fact 1: He should NOT have been allowed to claim asylum here(see above)
Fact 2: He was denied asylum twice.....

Fact 3: He had broken the law of the land on more than one occasion..Driving without a lisence,driving whilst disqualified, then Murdering a young girl and running off.

Your first two points prove that he would have been here regardless. His offences up to hitting the girl (in an accident, not murder) were petty.

So do criminals not deserve human rights? Or just not asylum seekers? Or do none of us deserve them now?

If he would have been a genuine asylum seeker with a family who'd done this as a first offence, should they be deported? What about a genuine asylum seeker with a family and 3 points on his license?
Why not just go back to shipping all criminals off to some !!!!py island regardless of their crimes! (Was going to say Oz, but I'm sure most people would love that idea these days! :rotfl: )

Where are we drawing the lines here and who's drawing them?

neilwoods

How about drawing the line where illegal immigrants keep committing acts of crime and violence who show total disregard to the UK law.

As for speculating if he was a genuine asylum seeker and being his first offence, then yes he should be deported back to northern Iraq.

darkpool

There are bad people in society. I think you have to take away their rights. Or maybe you think we should let all the criminals out of prison? After all the right to liberty is enshrined in article 5 of the Human Rights Act.

leveller2911

JOHN1982 wrote: »

Your first two points prove that he would have been here regardless. His offences up to hitting the girl (in an accident, not murder) were petty.

So do criminals not deserve human rights? Or just not asylum seekers? Or do none of us deserve them now?

If he would have been a genuine asylum seeker with a family who'd done this as a first offence, should they be deported? What about a genuine asylum seeker with a family and 3 points on his license?
Why not just go back to shipping all criminals off to some !!!!py island regardless of their crimes! (Was going to say Oz, but I'm sure most people would love that idea these days! :rotfl: )

Where are we drawing the lines here and who's drawing them?

Question: How many asylum seekers would you say are single males?
Answer:Probably somewhere in the region of 90-98% minimum

Question: If you were a Genuine asylum seeker would you flee your country of origin alone ?, without your wife? children,parents?.

FACT: Saddam Hussein butchered men,women and children he made no allowances for sex or age.Does this ring any alarm bells to you?.
Like I said before the vast majority are economic migrants.

If I was a genuine asylum seeker hell would freeze over before I left my family in danger.

Not much point trying to tar me with the Daily mail reader badge as it won't stick.

IMO if a "genuine" asylum seeker with a family bought over with him murdered that young girl then he alone should be in prison for life(as should any white,black,yellow or green person born in the UK)his family should be allowed to stay UNTIL their native country is deemed a safe one.

We gave thousands of Huguenots sanctury during the 16th century, Thousands of Jews during ww2 we managed all of this without the need of the Human Rights act.How many criminal scumbags including the one in question have used these laws to their own benefit? ..


As for saying in a previous post" if you don't like the law then leave the country" can I remind you the laws are made by Governments who do NOT have a mandate to govern.Why should people leave ? If something is wrong then it needs putting right, the problem is the UK pubilc are spineless unless directly affected.

Nu -labour won elections having been voted in by 1/10th of the British Population eligable to vote so this is No democracy we live in.I use Nu-Labour as an example as the Tories are the same.Yes we can blame the system that makes the laws and until the British public get off their backsides and force a change we will always be Governed by a Party that has No demacratic madate to Govern.