MSE News: Tuition fees to hit £9,000 as Government wins vote

Taiko

It will only deter them as they'll fail to see that it's not an upfront charge. If they cannot understand that, maybe they shouldn't be at university.

bestpud

Queen-Bee wrote: »

What I actually said is that increased fees will deter people from poorer backgrounds from going to university.

That is not the same as saying poorer students do not receive help.

It is also my opinion, not a rant. Whether you like it or not is completely immaterial!

You said poorer students would be left to shoulder the burden themselves straight after saying the fee increase will put them off going...

That is incorrect as I pointed out, but you aren't the only person who has jumped on the 'poor students will miss out' bandwagon without fully thinking through the facts.

These changes are going to affect students from all backgrounds and when push comes to shove, poorer students will have more incentive to apply for Uni than many who are better off.

You are fully entitled to your opinion and it doesn't have to be based on fact if you choose otherwise, but that shouldn't stop others clarifying misleading statements.

setmefree2

I don't know where people get their evidence that all Unis will charge £9k. This is what has actually been said by the coalition:-

Universities Minister David Willetts has said universities will only be allowed to charge fees of £9,000 in "exceptional circumstances", which he said might mean if they had high teaching costs, or if a university was offering an intensive two-year course.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638

At the same time, the cap on tuition fees will rise to £6,000 and universities will be able to charge up to £9,000 in exceptional circumstances.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...sals-mean.html

Ministers claim fees should only exceed £6,000 in exceptional circumstances.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...sals-mean.html



Surely this means that tiution fees (at least initially) will be mor like £6k p a?

CLAPTON

setmefree2 wrote: »

I don't know where people get their evidence that all Unis will charge £9k. This is what has actually been said by the coalition:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...sals-mean.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...sals-mean.html



Surely this means that tiution fees (at least initially) will be mor like £6k p a?

yes I'm sure that's what it will mean... after all it's from the same people who said
'we have no plan to increase VAT'
and
'we will abolish university tuition fees'

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes I'm sure that's what it will mean... after all it's from the same people who said
'we have no plan to increase VAT'
and
'we will abolish university tuition fees'

Ok - so you are saying that they are lying but the truth is the coalition are saying it's mostly going to cost £6k not £9k.

Indeed, I can't see a Uni (apart from the obvious Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, etc) risking overcharging for a course - because students won't go to their institution - who would pick the University of Sussex over the University of Surrey, if the Sussex Uni was £3k more expensive than Surrey Uni? You would chose the cheapest.

The government are introducing a market - and markets tend to push prices down.

Madz

blue_monkey wrote: »

One day you'll know what the real world is all about!! Bless you, it's going to be a shock I feel.

I'm 45. Will you look after my kids while I work in the evenings?

And I'm not suggesting that the vodafone tax bill would pay tuition fees for the foreseeable future, I'm suggesting that this excercise in raising tuition fes in little to do with raising cash and all to do with privatising the education system. Next stop, the NHS.

I've just had a little think about your patronising comment about about the real world. I'm 45, I have three kids, I'm disabled, my husband is in hospital with double pneumoniahaving nearly died and I'm having to represent myself in a court case tomorrow to stop my grandaughter being adopted because the LSC ****ed up my public funding. I've experienced more of the 'real word' than you can shake your supercillious stick at. Take your stereotypical view of students and shove it where the sun don't shine. That's if there's room alongside you head.

The young students I'm studying with don't fit your stereotype either. They're hard working, extremely so and they're skint. They don't go out boozing or buy takeaways - one boy has £20 a week to feed himself. You really are a sad little daily mail reader.

melancholly

setmefree2 wrote: »

Ok - so you are saying that they are lying but the truth is the coalition are saying it's mostly going to cost £6k not £9k.

Indeed, I can't see a Uni (apart from the obvious Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, etc) risking overcharging for a course - because students won't go to their institution - who would pick the University of Sussex over the University of Surrey, if the Sussex Uni was £3k more expensive than Surrey Uni? You would chose the cheapest.

The government are introducing a market - and markets tend to push prices down.

unis don't yet know what the government funding will be.... they can't do their sums yet as the coalition hasn't given enough information.

i can't imagine mnay charging less than £9K.... people choose unis based on reputation. if they can't afford to run courses at less than £9K, that's what they'll charge.

i hope i'm totally wrong, but i see the development of much more obvious two-tier education system (granted there has been one for a while already!). either they'll charge £6K and have much larger classes and much poorer facilities, or they'll charge £9K and only have to make smaller cuts.

these teaching cuts are in addition to 40% cuts in research funding... lots of unis are going to struggle and a lot will go under. the 'market' won't be able to push down prices when it's starts on this basis.

Taiko

setmefree2 wrote: »

I don't know where people get their evidence that all Unis will charge £9k. This is what has actually been said by the coalition:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11483638

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...sals-mean.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...sals-mean.html



Surely this means that tiution fees (at least initially) will be mor like £6k p a?

The actual cap is a higher end cap, not a minimum. It's up to each university what they will charge, set at a maximum of £6000 or £9000 if there are certain circumstances as to why they need to charge this and what support they are providing. It's not saying the minimum cost will be £6000.

setmefree2

melancholly wrote: »

i can't imagine mnay charging less than £9K.... people choose unis based on reputation. if they can't afford to run courses at less than £9K, that's what they'll charge.

i

Originally Posted by Oldernotwiser
"HEPI's other main conclusion is that £9000 will in due course - perhaps not immediately, but it will not take long - become the going rate for fees."

http://www.hepi.ac.uk/478-1876/HEPI-publishes-response-to-the-government's-proposals-for-higher-education-funding.html

It would see that most institutions plan to start with £6k....

setmefree2

melancholly wrote: »

lots of unis are going to struggle and a lot will go under. the 'market' won't be able to push down prices when it's starts on this basis.

....and lots of students just wont go to Uni any more if Unis charge £9k so their courses will be empty. It's all in the pricing