Ford diesels dont like sainsburys

pwllbwdr

Wonder if they still do!

As for bigjl's rant, any number of subjective testimonials mean absolutely nothing. I don't care how good a driver you think you are or how clearly you think you can tell the difference, or for that matter whether you're right or wrong. What needs to be done is a double blind set of tests. Simple to set up, simple to monitor and the results would be beyond dispute.

Anyone got any ideas why the big fuel sellers haven't published such a test?

Rossy.

pwllbwdr wrote: »

Wonder if they still do!

As for bigjl's rant, any number of subjective testimonials mean absolutely nothing. I don't care how good a driver you think you are or how clearly you think you can tell the difference, or for that matter whether you're right or wrong. What needs to be done is a double blind set of tests. Simple to set up, simple to monitor and the results would be beyond dispute.

Anyone got any ideas why the big fuel sellers haven't published such a test?

Becasue it's all a load of carp!!

mikey72

bigjl wrote: »

My Mondeo runs on Tesco fuel, just doesn't run aswell as it does on proper branded stuff.

It isn't my fault if you can't tell when your car lacks a bit of power, I suppose some of us have a bit more feel for what their car is up to than others.

Everybody talks about Mondeos having fragile injection systems , perhaps they are just a bit more sensitive to cheaper brands, and if somebody thinks all petrol and diesel is the same can anybody explain why the petrol contamination only affected supermarkets, surely if it was all the same then it would have affected Esso, Shell and BP in the areas near to where the Supermarkets had the problem.

Or are you infering that somebody at Esso, BP or Shell sabotaged the tanker after it delivered the same fuel to the supermarkets.

The next thing we will be hearing is that a cheap cut of meat is exactly the same as an expensive cut of meat, Tesco trainers are in fact the exact same as Reebok and that a £50k Merc is just a Kia in a bodykit.

Remember that BS is the minimum standard, and that some manufacturers actually chose to exceed these standards, I personally feel that the Supermarkets will just try ans meet the minimum but the Branded suppliers will actually give a better product.

I bet all these same people that think it is all the same think that Tescos cereal is actually made by Kelloggs, well even if you can't tell the difference they aren't the same either and no matter what urban myth you have read they never where.

You are happy to continue to use an inferior product as after all what do BP, Esso and Shell know about fuel manufacturing that the supermarkets don't already know.

No, wait I bet you all think that a supermarkets own brand oil is in fact just a rebranded Mobil 1, after all when you put it in the engine there is no difference, is there.


Everybody that disagrees really is wasting their time on this, my opinion is from personal experience not ill informed internet rumours.

I will keep my opinion, regardless of what people say, it isn't my fault that some can't tell any difference. Everybody has different skill sets in life, one of my skill sets is driving, always had a feel for it since I did Autocross when I was a kid.

Everybody thinks every car of the same spec drives exactly the same, but they don't, there are always slight differences, just some can't feel any difference.

When a lot of the folk on these forums where studying I was racing cars, we all have a specific thing that we have a knack for, what annoys is that those that don't have this knack don't have the good grace to realise when they don't.

There are lots of things that many of the commenters on this thread are better than I am, and no matter how hard I try I will never be as good as they are at these things, I have the good grace to accept these more knowledgable views, why is that some, men in particular, are so happy to continue on arguing when they should be defering to others, if for example Ben Collins "The Stig" was to comment on this thread (under an anonymous ID) what is the bet that all those disagreeing would in fact disagree with him.

So how many people think that they know about driving better than The Stig, I don't as he quite simply has many more years racing experience than I will ever have, and I know a few people that know him personally, as they provided medical back up on Top Gear, in fact I knew who he was 5 years ago, and he is a really skilled driver and all round decent chap by all accounts, but never mind there are apparently plenty on here that can say honestly they know much better than him and so will be a good replacement, well right up till the point they find out they can't tell the difference between a Bugatti and a Fiesta in a back to back test. Which must mean they are the same, as after all they couldn't tell the difference.

But if only you can tell the difference ( and the stig) does it matter to the rest of us that just can't drive as well as you?

Lum

pwllbwdr wrote: »

Anyone got any ideas why the big fuel sellers haven't published such a test?

There have been tests over the years, though usually by magazines testing petrol. BP Ultimate usually comes out on top for performance European cars that can take advantage of it, and Shell V-Power usually comes out on top for Japanese imports.

There's probably not much interest in doing a similar test for diesel because diesel purchasers are usually more interested in price than performance, and it's only really with the Euro5 stuff that it's even become an issue, as older diesels will run on any old crap, so up until now there has been nothing to test.

Also why would, say BP, fund a test comparing BP to, say, Tesco when Tesco are a customer of BP. You don't want to annoy a customer like that, that makes up a significant percentage of your sales.

hermanmunster_3

I only have supermarket garages where I live - Tesco and Morrison's - all others have shut down - Mondeos both work fine on whatever you put in them.

Lum

How old are your Mondeos?

bigjl

I think most of the Mondeos or more specifically Fords are later Euro 4 engines, that seem to run slightly differently, perhaps the previous poster can enlighten us to his Mondeos year and engine. My car doesn't break down or have warning lights on, it just runs rougher than normal and lacks performance, as far as why I can only offer theories and assumptions, though I have used a tank or two of the Super Diesel and there wasn't really any change that I could tell, maybe a bit less smoke, engine sounded slightly quieter, but not the night and day difference when going from Supermarket to Branded.

Why has nobody mentioned my comments on the fuel contamination issue in Essex and East London, that only affected supermarket?

I will say this one more time for all those opinionated folk who don't read the thread, I didn't think there was any difference until I had my Mondeo and noticed the difference for my self. So I was a non believer like you, always chose the nearest and cheapest, but not anymore, you can take that how you like it really.


I don't really care if you think it isn't true, this forum seems to be full of people that just disagree for the sake of it, this thread is boring me now. Keep putting water in your tanks for all I care, I know what I know, the rest of you can do what you like, I personally don't really care.

My last comment is that quite simply the higher the state of tune an engine is in, the more likely a small difference in fuel quality, even due to poor storage conditions at the forecourt itself, will have some effect on the cars performance and fuel efficency, the car will adjust itself when poor quality fuel is used to protect the engine, and when better quality fuel is used then it will adjust back to more normal limits.

If anybody thinks these new turbo diesels aren't highly tuned needs to go back to a 2.0 non turbo diesel and give that a try in a modern car.

Actually drive a Octavia SDi then drive a high powered Octavia TDi, an SDI will give about 68bhp a TDi can give what, 110, 115 say, all due to a Turbo. Or what about the VRS with 170bhp, still only a 2.0 diesel engine.

My Mondeo, to put it into context, has better performance than an XR3i from the '80s, faster to 60 and about 20 mph faster in the top end. It also weighs at least half a ton more.

Ever thought why milk goes off before the sell by date when bought at Lidls, it isn't inferior milk, just not stored and handled properly.

I will continue to use Esso, as where I live it costs the same at Tesco (actually Tesco is more expensive this week), so why let every little help

Rexy

Mine runs on Tesco's and Morrisons' but it is noisier, and I'm sure that the stuff does not lubricate the fuel system as well as branded fuels do hence the additional noise.

Trading Standards, and the ASA would not allow Oil Companies to make unfounded claims so there must be something in what they claim. They also want to try and differentiate their product from their competition.

We cannot complain that we don't know that BP or other branded fuel is better for our Fords, as they recommend we use it. And it is true, my Ford does run better on BP or branded fuel than on Supermarket stuff.

If you don't plan on keeping your car for long, then it probably does not matter what you feed it. But if you want to keep your car for some time, and don't want expensive repair bills, then paying a relatively small amount extra makes sense in the long run.

Mine is a 2007 reg Mondeo 2006 model. It does not like Sainsbury's City Diesel, fact. I had a problem and it was cured by doing nothing more than changing the fuel.

So, if you choose not to believe, that is your choice. However, if other Ford owners can avoid expensive repair bills by learning from my and others experience then that is a good thing.

Just because non-Ford owners are not experiencing issues, that does not invalidate our experience.

Rossy.

Rexy wrote: »

Mine runs on Tesco's and Morrisons' but it is noisier, and I'm sure that the stuff does not lubricate the fuel system as well as branded fuels do hence the additional noise.

Trading Standards, and the ASA would not allow Oil Companies to make unfounded claims so there must be something in what they claim. They also want to try and differentiate their product from their competition.

We cannot complain that we don't know that BP or other branded fuel is better for our Fords, as they recommend we use it. And it is true, my Ford does run better on BP or branded fuel than on Supermarket stuff.

If you don't plan on keeping your car for long, then it probably does not matter what you feed it. But if you want to keep your car for some time, and don't want expensive repair bills, then paying a relatively small amount extra makes sense in the long run.

Mine is a 2007 reg Mondeo 2006 model. It does not like Sainsbury's City Diesel, fact. I had a problem and it was cured by doing nothing more than changing the fuel.

So, if you choose not to believe, that is your choice. However, if other Ford owners can avoid expensive repair bills by learning from my and others experience then that is a good thing.

Just because non-Ford owners are not experiencing issues, that does not invalidate our experience.

fair do's and all that but in reality it means Ford have made bad design choices in the design of their engines plainly put.

A diesel car should run perfectly normal on any diesel whether it's branded or supermarket fuel

I'll give Ford a miss

Lum

OTOH Ford are achieving some pretty damn good fuel economy and emissions figures and unlike some manufacturers (BMW) the claimed MPG figures are almost achievable.

The trade off is it doesn't work as well if you fill your car with cheap* crap fuel that barely meets the minimum standards for DERV fuel. I personally think it's an acceptable trade off, but that's because mine is a company car, if I had to pay for maintenance as well I might think differently since I'd worry that maybe the system is a little fragile with expensive repair bills looming at 4-6 years old.

*even though the good stuff is often the same price or cheaper.