Divorcee remarrying in Catholic church?

GobbledyGook

Plans_all_plans wrote: »

Marriage is a sacrament in the Church and as such there is no charge (although a donation is anticipated). As far as I'm aware there's no system whereby you can bribe a Priest to marry you!

In some Churches the donation is essentially a charge though. The Church I was brought up attending had it's "suggested" donation set at £800 and the Priest wouldn't entertain officiating your wedding if you didn't make the donation. He gave us a load of waffle about saving for it being a sign of commitment.

lazer wrote: »

Adultery is not grounds for annulment, an annulment is basically declarig a marriage invalid from the outset and can only be granted if their is a valid reason, eg: One party was engaged to someone else or there was something else major that was not divulged prior to the marriage

The only person I know who has ever got an annulment was someone whose husband had had a vasectomy before they married and he hadn't told her. Another woman in the Church whose husband was charged with beating her up couldn't get an annulment which was one of the reasons I walked away from the church in the end.

inkie

That's terrible. I am a minister of religion and do not make any charge whatsoever for weddings. When asked about fees, I always say that there is no charge - but a donation would be welcome. And it would be just that - a donation.

PolishBigSpender

zaksmum wrote: »

Her first marriage was not in a Catholic church, and she's not Catholic herself but is prepared to follow the Catholic religion.

Does anyone know the ruling of the church on this please?

Was her first marriage just in the office? If so, she is not seen as a divorcee by the Catholic Church, the "office" marriage is not recognised by the Catholic Church.

I don't know what the rule is if the first marriage was in some other Christian church - the best idea would be to ask your local Catholic priest.

zaksmum

PolishBigSpender wrote: »

Was her first marriage just in the office? If so, she is not seen as a divorcee by the Catholic Church, the "office" marriage is not recognised by the Catholic Church.

I don't know what the rule is if the first marriage was in some other Christian church - the best idea would be to ask your local Catholic priest.

No, it was a church wedding but in a Church of England church.

I can't believe the stance of the Catholic church on this. What if they have kids? Will the child be allowed to be brought up as a Catholic and baptised as such?

kegg_2

sueeve wrote: »

I believe that I am right in saying that Camilla P B's marriage was annulled, (husband catholic), on the grounds that the relationship she had with a certain well known gentleman was not ceased at the time of her marriage, and therefore her vows were not honestly taken. It is that the first marriage would not have taken place if the truth at that time were fully known. Of course, you could be supportive to your soon to be ex. I simply give this as an example (it was the intent at the time of the first marriage which may not have been complete). When it's what is in the head no-one can prove anything absolutely.

As far as the C of E is concerned it is up to the conscience of the priest whether or not s/he agrees to perform the marriage, according to their theological understanding of marriage, but for those who will there are fairly strict guidelines. Some priests ignore the guidelines! But they are good. For example, whether arrangement regarding children of the first marriage are proper and reasonable.

Camilla PB is a divorcee and her first marriage was not annulled. Her and Charles married in a civil cermony only after the death of Diana.

As to henry the 8th his first wife catherine was the widow of his dead brother. The catholic church allowed them to marry as they swore that the first marriage had never been consumated as it was a child marriage.
When henry wanted to get rid of catherine he tried to petition the catholic church on the grounds that catherine had lied and she had consumated the marriage with his brother. The catholic church refused and so henry seperated from the catholic church and as head of the church of england he could then do as he pleased.

Plans_all_plans

You really do need to seek advice from your local Catholic Priest on this. The Catholic Church has an awful lot of rules and regulations and we are not equipped to give the 100% correct answer as lay people. Annullment is a particularly complex area. Regarding baptism I am not sure what they would say. Please go to the Priest: you are unlikely to get the correct information from us.

kegg_2

zaksmum wrote: »

No, it was a church wedding but in a Church of England church.

I can't believe the stance of the Catholic church on this. What if they have kids? Will the child be allowed to be brought up as a Catholic and baptised as such?

no matter where she marries any children they have will be able to be baptised into the catholic church and bought up as catholics if they so wish.

zaksmum

Thanks Kegg. At least that's something.

Loopy_Girl

My Dad married my StepMum in the chapel (Dad being divorced obvs)

She is a Catholic whereas my Dad is well, no religion really!! (staunch Ranger's supporter though - didn't tell the priest that!!:eek:)

It was 16 years ago and I had moved out the family home by then but I do believe it did take a bit of doing and the priest was round speaking to them quite alot but he did marry them in the end.

Hopefully if you get a more forward thinking priest who realises that the world has changed and moved on a bit, it might help.

It was no picnic though..I do remember my Dad moaning about the amount of time he had to spend with the priest - the things you do for love eh?!!:D

coolcait

zaksmum wrote: »

You're not kidding. Shocked is not the word. You have a girl in her 20s who was emotionally destroyed by a lying, cheating scumbag of a husband...divorced him and then the church turns it's back on HER!!!

Has she spoken to the local Catholic parish priest yet? That recommendation - from several posters - is definitely her starting point. Until then, it's too soon to say whether the Catholic church has or will "turn its back on her".

From what I've read here it looks very much like she won't be able to marry in a Catholic church and I just think that's disgraceful.

You can't know that for sure until she speaks to the local Catholic parish priest.

The link given by gloomendoom was totally unbelievable. Part of it states that a divorcee remarrying would be adulterous, a thief and a liar!! And that God will not forgive the sin of adultery unless there's determination never to do it again - therefore this could not be the case as there would be the intention to continue the adultery by marrying!!!

The link from gloomendoom said nothing about a divorced person being a thief and a liar. Where did you get that from? Where did you get the part about God not forgiving the sin of adultery etc etc?

I'm just gobsmacked.

I am equally gobsmacked.

If your original question was genuine, then gloomendoom's link gives a very clear and comprehensive answer (but I'd still recommend that the bride-to-be speaks to the local Catholic parish priest to find out what her personal situation is).

You may not like the religious standpoint, but that doesn't excuse the way you misrepresented the post.

If you have some kind of difficulty with the bride-to-be marrying a Catholic, or converting to Catholicism, then speak to her.

As for annulment - yes it can happen, and yes it can be long-winded. However, it's not always about blaming the other person in the marriage (although human nature usually makes it that way - just like civil divorces).

But no one is obliged to sign anything unless they actually started the process.