Working for your benefits

vaporate

Coeus wrote: »

I must be out of touch - I would have never have imagined someone would need 6 months to find a job! I suspect those spending this long would either (i) not want to find a job or (ii) not be willing to settle for a lower standing of living. However this is only a suspicion - I do not have any basis of evidence nor do I assert this claim to be true.

You have sparked a new line of thought for me. As an analytical man/woman what do you (or any other's willing) deduce from the following argument relating to the subject matter of the post.

Assumptions:
- there are not enough jobs to match short-term demands for JSA claimants (or other employment seekers)
- the level of benefits provided by the current system must be reduced to meet cost savings requirement
- JSA claimants wish to continue to search for job opportunities

Argument:
Given the above assumptions the proposed government policy would effectively utilise the JSA claimant 'workforce' for societal benefit until either (i) short-term demand in the employment market improves to the extent of warranting a change in policy or (ii) said JSA claimants successfully exit the system into employment.

P.S. I will check tomorrow if you wish to take your time - I'm tired

Oh yes it does, specially for graduates entering the job market with most likely just volunteering work experience and relatively good qualifications.

Even if a graduate wanted a cleaners job, factory work, they would be denied this due to being over-qualified, threat of leaving due to using this job as a stop-gap.

hethmar

I dont understand the fuss. There are lots of jobbing works that need doing. Litter picking, tidying up parks, cleaning graffiti, conservation areas. Why shouldnt people do this work when they are getting money from the state. It will benefit the community and give them some interest/pride in their lives. Lots of people already do this work totally free as volunteers.

Hammyman

Person_one wrote: »

If things need painting and fences need to be put up, then create a real job and pay someone properly to do it.

So your solution would be have the council create a job costing them £18k+ per year which would be paid for by the taxpayer when there's many thousands of people already being paid by the govt to sit at home unemployed?

What a way to save money....

vaporate

hethmar wrote: »

I dont understand the fuss. There are lots of jobbing works that need doing. Litter picking, tidying up parks, cleaning graffiti, conservation areas. Why shouldnt people do this work when they are getting money from the state. It will benefit the community and give them some interest/pride in their lives. Lots of people already do this work totally free as volunteers.

Keyword.

The discussion is pointless anyway as it will not come out. If it does, it will not work and rightfully so.

vaporate

Hammyman wrote: »

So your solution would be have the council create a job costing them £18k+ per year which would be paid for by the taxpayer when there's many thousands of people already being paid by the govt to sit at home unemployed?

What a way to save money....

Hardly a fair comment when the government wasted billions.

jay_1978

Hammyman wrote: »

So your solution would be have the council create a job costing them £18k+ per year which would be paid for by the taxpayer when there's many thousands of people already being paid by the govt to sit at home unemployed?

What a way to save money....

Or the council workers who get paid a good wage can actually do the job they are paid to do. I might be recently unemployed but I actually do work for the council and I do part of their job. I recycle which is their job, So I am contributing.

ceridwen

AimeesMum wrote: »

It's for people who haven't work for the last 8 years...if they have been on jobseekers THAT long then they are for sure layabout scroungers!

Have you got a link to the information that specifies it would only be those who have been unemployed for at least 8 years please?

I agree that 8 years would be a long time to be unemployed - though I think its something that might happen to someone who was early retirement age and/or disabled and/or a highly-skilled person living in a particularly bad unemployment blackspot. So it IS possible even for a "tryer" to be in that situation - if not that likely.

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What concerns me is whether someone who had a "work history" extending back quite a few years (ie visible proof that they are clearly a "worker" not a "shirker") might be expected to do this too. To someone like that - it would come over very clearly as "punishment and not at all fair - because I've proved I AM a worker. Why won't they believe someone like me?". I would say that anyone who has held down a job or jobs for at least 10 years during the course of their "work life" has proved that they do hold down a job if given the chance and should be exempt from any scheme like this (even if they have done manual work before - but obviously all the more so to someone who has never done this type of work and quite possibly isnt now fit enough to be able to do it).

dickydonkin

Coeus wrote: »

I must be out of touch - I would have never have imagined someone would need 6 months to find a job! I suspect those spending this long would either (i) not want to find a job or (ii) not be willing to settle for a lower standing of living. However this is only a suspicion - I do not have any basis of evidence nor do I assert this claim to be true.

I suspect this crass comment is made by someone in the comfort of regular employment and has had no experience of attempting to find a job in the current climate.

If you 'have no basis of evidence' to support you claim then I would suggest that you keep your own counsel on such matters you obviously have no idea of.

Yes - you are certainly out of touch.

scooby088

Well if i ever claim benefits again and are forced to work for said benefit, then it's nice to know i'll be working on community projects like those who are on community pay back.

It'll be so nice to be classed in the same catergory as a criminal, but then again i think the majority of people will see no difference between a benefit claimant and a criminal..

AimeesMum_2

As far as I am concerned the people that I have read they are going to be targetting in these schemes are criminals! There is absolutely NO excuse for not being able to find a job in (maximum 2 years). It sickens me.