Working for your benefits

patman99

This was apparrentley on Sunday's news. The ConDemed are looking at a scheme whereby those on benefits will have to work in exchange for them.

Now, call me stupid, but where are these jobs coming from?, after all, if they existed in the first place, the unemployed would be applying for them.

I will hazard a guess that these jobs will be 'free workers for your workplace' ones in which companies are happy to give someone a 40 hour per week job for 4 weeks at no cost to themselves, then at the end of the period, returning the person back to the dole again.

USM

I don't really care what they are - sweeping the roads, gardening, painting in communal areas, scraping roadkill up providing it makes claiming benefits a much less attractive option.

dmg24

There are already several threads on this topic on DT ...

Hammyman

They'll be doing stuff like painting, fencing and jobs in the community.

Anyway, I fail to see where the problem is. When Labour were in power, people were bleating on about them handing out benefits, that many people got levels of benefit as high or higher than some people earned and that the long term !!!!less doleys should have to work for their money.

Now that the LibCons are bringing in what many people called for then all of a sudden its bad? Make your flaming minds up...

Oh and as for the "working for a quid an hour" stories then that would be true if £40 a week was all the benefit they got but many claimants will be getting housing and council tax benefit as well as others such as CTC. In London, you can feasibly get £250+ per week in total just in HB/CTB and JSA which equates to NMW for a 40hr week - hardly the £1 an hour some tabloids are claiming.

gotnodosh

Google "1 Euro Job". This is what they are doing in Germany.

Only difference in Germany is that they don't have a NMW so the 1 Euro jobs are taking over the NMW jobs.

But great for statistics as in Germany people working 15+ in these jobs are not counted in their unemployment figures!

See http://www.working-in-germany.com/ein-euro-job-0132.html

AimeesMum_2

I can't understand what the problem with it is other than the logistics of how it would actual work without costing millions of pounds. No doubt you would need to have a paid employed supervisor to monitor the work of these people and if they were to be working in schools, care homes etc as most people suggest then they would need a disclosure check etc?

Can someone fill me in on how it would work as I haven't read an awful lot about it

Barneysmom

There's something I can't figure out though.
Say a man is on £60 a week jobseekers money - I don't know exactly how much it is.
Then an employer took him on at what is it, £40?
Surely then he would be emplyed and entitled to at least NMW?
I'm not taking sides as I'm a dummy with things like this, I just can't understand how it would work.

What also would happen if my boss thought 'I could get rid of Barneysmom and get someone in her place for forty quid?

hayton2k3

Hammyman wrote: »

They'll be doing stuff like painting, fencing and jobs in the community.

Anyway, I fail to see where the problem is. When Labour were in power, people were bleating on about them handing out benefits, that many people got levels of benefit as high or higher than some people earned and that the long term !!!!less doleys should have to work for their money.

Now that the LibCons are bringing in what many people called for then all of a sudden its bad? Make your flaming minds up...

Oh and as for the "working for a quid an hour" stories then that would be true if £40 a week was all the benefit they got but many claimants will be getting housing and council tax benefit as well as others such as CTC. In London, you can feasibly get £250+ per week in total just in HB/CTB and JSA which equates to NMW for a 40hr week - hardly the £1 an hour some tabloids are claiming.

you fail to see what the problem is?
problem is right here right now.

COMMUNITY SERVICE(community payback) these guys rob a house and are doing this job.

you think because a employer will NOT employ me that i should be treat like this?

yes its ok for you guys earning a pretty penny.
not everyone on the dole is a lay about.
hell give me a job picking dog turd up for NMW and i will gladly do it and enjoy it.

expect me to work for JSA? i dont think so.
that has no prospects in life.
DISCRIMINATION that is.

im discriminated against no one wants a worker with no experience and a criminal record,
hell why would they when they can employ a trined worked for the same price and is more suited to their needs

Person_one

Hammyman wrote: »

They'll be doing stuff like painting, fencing and jobs in the community.

If things need painting and fences need to be put up, then create a real job and pay someone properly to do it.

ceridwen

Hammyman wrote: »

They'll be doing stuff like painting, fencing and jobs in the community.

Anyway, I fail to see where the problem is. When Labour were in power, people were bleating on about them handing out benefits, that many people got levels of benefit as high or higher than some people earned and that the long term !!!!less doleys should have to work for their money.

Now that the LibCons are bringing in what many people called for then all of a sudden its bad? Make your flaming minds up...

Oh and as for the "working for a quid an hour" stories then that would be true if £40 a week was all the benefit they got but many claimants will be getting housing and council tax benefit as well as others such as CTC. In London, you can feasibly get £250+ per week in total just in HB/CTB and JSA which equates to NMW for a 40hr week - hardly the £1 an hour some tabloids are claiming.

Since when was £30 per week (ie 30 hours x £1 per hour) enough to live and pay bills on then? Thankfully - according to today's papers it looks like they've had to back down on that and accept people cant possibly manage on less than JSA at all.

scooby088

i dont think NMW is not enough to live on for anyone to aspire to greater things and i would not want to work for any benefit i should need to claim in the future.