Not Using your indicators?

alanrowell

cajef wrote: »

As an ex driving instructor, I can assure you that as far as the driving test and the DSA are concerned you can and people have failed the test for giving unnecessary signals which may confuse other motorists.

As others in this thread have said it is considered completely pointless to signal just for the sake of it and if there is no other vehicle involved.

All signalling is a considered operation to tell other motorists what your intention is.

Well it's pretty obvious why you are an EX-driving instructor.

Signals are for the benefit of ALL road users - which includes pedestrians not just motorists. Just because you are sitting in your little bubble and can't see another road user, doesn't mean that there isn't another road user who can see you. Nor does it mean that there won't be a road user appearing in the next couple of seconds.

Unnecessary signals are ones that are not needed for the manoeuvre you are intending to make, not ones that save battery power.

alanrowell

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers! wrote: »

This is utter nonsense. A driver who pays attention and observes fully his surroundings will not have to worry about "someone just outside of your eye-line or in your blind spot", because such a person will not exist.

Indicators are for indicating intent to those who might benefit from the signal. If there's no-one there to benefit, you don't indicate.

Wow, you have a 100% awareness of the whole world around you at all times, you can see clearly in the dark and in highly contrasting lighting conditions and on top you can see several seconds into the future as you *know* that no road user is to appear.

Strider590

Im on the M40, it's 3am and there's not a vehicle in sight on either carriageway.... It's my junction approaching, why the hell would I need to indicate?
I've made the active decision based on the road conditions, by checking my mirrors and the area ahead/behind. Indication by habit, simply encourages lazy driving.

cajef

alanrowell wrote: »

Well it's pretty obvious why you are an EX-driving instructor.

Signals are for the benefit of ALL road users - which includes pedestrians not just motorists. Just because you are sitting in your little bubble and can't see another road user, doesn't mean that there isn't another road user who can see you. Nor does it mean that there won't be a road user appearing in the next couple of seconds.

Ah I see the when we want to be pedantic the lets insult people brigade have appeared just because I happened to type motorists instead of all road users, so you have had the training that a DSA examiner or advanced driving examination with a senior DSA examiner that a driving instructor has had to qualify.

I was commenting on the the fact that the DSA can and have failed people for use of incorrect or unnecessary signals, funny how you managed to cut off the rest of my post where I gave examples, can you point me in the direction where I said that they were not for the benefit of all road users.

Common sense, reading the road conditions and traffic are requirements before making judgements as to whether signals are required for any given manoeuvre, and if you had bothered to read this thread you would have seen that several posters have commented that driving instructors nowadays teach pupils not to give unnecessary signals in line with DSA standards.

mikey72

cajef wrote: »

Ah I see the when we want to be pedantic the lets insult people brigade have appeared just because I happened to type motorists, so you have had the training that a DSA examiner or advanced driving examination with a senior DSA examiner that a driving instructor has had to qualify.

I was commenting on the the fact that the DSA can and have failed people for use of incorrect or unnecessary signals, funny how you managed to cut off the rest of my post where I gave examples, can you point me in the direction where I said that they were not for the benefit of all road users.

Common sense, reading the road conditions and traffic are requirements before making judgements as to whether signals are required for any given manoeuvre, and if you had bothered to read this thread you would have seen that several posters have commented that driving instructors nowadays teach pupils not to give unnecessary signals in line with DSA standards.

Well, you don't win any points for consistency, before it was just "failed the test for giving unnecessary signals which may confuse other motorists. "

So, nothing at all to do with not indicating if there are no other motorists.

And they are taught to indicate usually. Exceptions are stopping, when there is no-one about, but very few other (if any) exceptions are allowed such as turning, as a vehicle may appear while waiting to turn, or during the turn, so (as not all drivers can see into the future as some have claims to be able to) they cover that by indicating anyway.

skiddlydiddly

Its amazing how those who agree with the OP keep failing to notice things like"where it would benefit another road user(road user being vehicle, pedestrian or cyclist) and just keep harping on about how dangerous it is not to indicate to an empty road.The clue is in the word "indicate" which implies you are doing something for others to notice, which assumes someone is there to notice it.

They are also disagreeing with what the IAM teaches, yet still think they are the better drivers for it?

NEH

It does seem to be coming more popular not to indicate around here and that's with plenty of other people around. Around here you have to be psychic to know where people are going, as to them indicators are optional extras.....

There is also another load of numptys that decide to indicate as they're doing the manouvere. Think they have got their routines mixed up, mirrors, signal, mirrors manouvere. They seem to go straight for manvouvere and indicate as an after thought.....

mikey72

skiddlydiddly wrote: »

Its amazing how those who agree with the OP keep failing to notice things like"where it would benefit another road user(road user being vehicle, pedestrian or cyclist) and just keep harping on about how dangerous it is not to indicate to an empty road.The clue is in the word "indicate" which implies you are doing something for others to notice, which assumes someone is there to notice it.

They are also disagreeing with what the IAM teaches, yet still think they are the better drivers for it?

We haven't said we're better, in fact we have said we're falible, if you want an IAM view Pew Pew sums them it up well.

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers! wrote: »

A driver who pays attention and observes fully his surroundings will not have to worry about "someone just outside of your eye-line or in your blind spot", because such a person will not exist.

Personally, I would rather drive on the road with people that allow for the fact they may not have seen me, rather than someone thas is completely certain I can't really be there.

If the IAM teach that, maybe they need to re-consider how they teach.

skiddlydiddly

If they have checked all their mirrors and their blindspot, where else are you going to be?

King_Nothing

Bus drivers are the undisputed kings of either moving off from bus stops then indicating right, or moving off whilst still indicating left, or just moving off without indicating at all.