The Ultimate Incentive to get debt free… again. Dinah & NIM go head to head!

Birdie85

I don't think cup-a-soups are what they were talking about, I feel fuller after a cup of coffee! I don't really feel totally satisfied after soup, I know I don't need any more to eat but I feel a bit cheated because I haven't chewed!

I felt sorry for the WFM until he started to get really defensive about whose fault it was and it seemed like he was blaming everyone else because the NHS hadn't 'fixed' him earlier. I was doing other things whilst watching it so may have missed something though! I'm always shocked when people become bed-ridden, I just have no idea how it happens.

I'm sorry to hear how you're feeling Nat, it must be awful not liking yourself but not being in the right frame of mind to really fix it and it can seem like a tough battle. I've had months when I could barely look at myself in the mirror but I just couldn't lose any weight. And to then hear comments from friends like that is hurtful. OH comes out with things like that because he just doesn't understand that not everyone finds it as easy as he does to lose weight and it bugs me. My Mum and Dad are overweight (obese?) and it upsets me when OH and his Mum make snide comments about 'fat' people in general, before OH's Mum met my parents she'd always make really awful comments about fat people not controlling themselves and looking hideous and it makes me think that she must really hate my parents after all the things she said about people who look like them. My parents aren't really bothered by what people think, but I'm hurt for them.

Cinny91

Sorry to hear how you're feeling Nat. You sound like my Mum, wanting to lose the weight but not really being mentally there. But I'm 100% sure you're completely lovely and gorgeous whatever weight you are. And I get why you're upset, but I wouldn't take what your friend said to heart. People always think before they post on Facebook, or put things just because that's what other people are putting. It doesn't really excuse what she said, but I'd just keep that in mind.

I didn't watch biggest loser, I was watching Teen Mom again Bloody show pulls me in whenever it's on!

That soup thing sounds odd! I always feel really full after soup, but I just figure that was because of all the bread I ate with it

Tete_en_l'Air

Cinny91 wrote: »

I always feel really full after soup, but I just figure that was because of all the bread I ate with it

:rotfl: It's the only way!

poddle911

Cinny91 wrote: »

That soup thing sounds odd! I always feel really full after soup, but I just figure that was because of all the bread I ate with it

I think I've heard that a few times, but I get bored of soup quite quickly - the best thing about soup is bread

Sorry to hear you're feeling down Nat; it can be really hard to get in the right mindset especially when you feel like you've got a long way to go. I was talking to my (overweight) best friend over Christmas and we agreed that your self esteem issues can be the same whether you're 1, 5 or 10 stone overweight. I know she would love to be my weight, but at the moment feel much bigger than I'm comfortable with.

I can see how people gradually put on more and more weight, as you do get used to it and buying clothes a size bigger and being less fit must become 'normal' but I agree with Tete that there must be a point when you realise that you're throwing away your life? But maybe you feel helpless at that stage?

I agree the most difficult thing is that in order to lose weight you are forced to think about food all the time which seems counter productive. I also can see why people think it is easy to lose weight and quote 'eat less, exercise more' at you - if only emotions didn't get in the way!

Tete_en_l'Air

poddle911 wrote: »

I can see how people gradually put on more and more weight, as you do get used to it and buying clothes a size bigger and being less fit must become 'normal' but I agree with Tete that there must be a point when you realise that you're throwing away your life? But maybe you feel helpless at that stage?

That's a good point, maybe it's like when you feel old because you're turning 25, but you look back at 30 and think actually I was still so young NOW I'm old, then at 40 you'll look back at 30 and think you were still young. Maybe in the same way people THINK they're beyond help and it's only when they really are beyond help that they realise what they could have done to help themselves, now that they can't?!

Sorry that was a bit long and convoluted!

Dinah93

Birdie85 wrote: »

Interesting point you made there about trying to lift 10kg and the stress it must put on your heart Dinah, just make sure that you're exercising plenty too to make your heart as strong as possible. How is your blood pressure nowadays, I know it went way down whilst you were off work, has going back to the madhouse sent it back up?

How's your Grandma this morning? x

Its extremely high atm, around 145/118 for those who understand bp. Seeing the doctor again on Friday and most likely going back on the tablets.

We thought she was going last night, then she normalised again! Doctors can't believe she's still with her, basically it seems every organ is still really strong despite being nearly 80.

Birdie85 wrote: »

That was on that thing about the worlds fattest man wasn't it? That me me laugh a lot too!

There's a guy at work who does all sorts of outdoor activities but has a massive belly and he's always saying how difficult it is walking up hills because he's carrying the same weight in his backpack as he's got on his belly! It doesn't stop him having pudding every day though!

I saw another interesting show last week (not sure what it was because OH put it on when he came to bed and I was only half watching because I was supposed to be getting my beauty sleep!) and they were going over diet secrets and one thing that they went into was that if you eat soup you stay fuller for longer. They gave half of the test group solid food with a cup of water and the other half the same amount food and water blended into a thick soup and did scans of their stomachs and you could see how full the soupy stomachs were well after the solid food stomachs had emptied. The water washes the solid food straight through but the soup is too thick so stays in your stomach being digested. Interesting stuff! Going to start having soup for lunch!

I can't eat soup without bread And 3 slices of bread means I might as well just have had a pasta!

I definately agree its a mental attitude to weight rather than a physical size. And at the end of the day being happy hugely affects your emotional wellbeing and outlook on life. There is the arguement that if you're happy with your size then thats the most important thing, but knowing how much worse your health is in terms of getting cancer, strokes, heart issues etc, I can't help thinking that being comfortable with yourself is not the be all and end all. I know some people's goal weight is my current weight, so me wanting to loose weight is strange to them, but for me this is an awfully big size to be, and if the doc is warning me then that has to count for something!

There is a project in Kent (I was reading the government report yesterday but can't remember the name of it for the life of me) where they don't just tell people to move more eat less, they address the issue holistically, helping people identify their emotional relationship with food, how to break their patterns etc, and they have a 90% success rate at helping people loose weight after 6 months. Surely thats got to be the way moving forward, a full life approach rather than just 'no crisps, no choccy, and get on that bike'.

NIM tried to cheer me up last night with a bag of mini eggs - very thoughtful but I just felt guilty when I'd eaten most of the bag. Did a lot of walking on site this morning now, about 2 miles in total I think so thats got to count for something.

No new money news or changes. Eventually I'll get something listed. Still no contact from car lady as far as I'm aware (gave her NIMs phone number)

Birdie85

Very interesting spin on it there Tete, and you're probably right. It's a bit like when you look back at pictures of a time when you thought you were fat but you were actually thinner than you are now!

Your Grandma sounds like a right tough old bird Dinah! At least she's still comfortable and not in pain by the sounds of it.

That project in Kent sounds good too, it's about time people realised that a lot of the problems with food nowadays are emotional ones. My Mum and Dad, for instance, eat the correct portion size of healthy food at meal times but snack in between through boredom I reckon. They also have the attitude of 'Oh I've had a bad day and I need a drink' and with the wine/gin/vodka comes more snacks which doesn't help!

Cinny91

Your Nan sounds like such a fighter Dinah, still keeping her in my thoughts.

Dieting or weight views will always be different, I don't think there are many people who have the same view on it 100%. We're all different for different reasons. I'm in the happiness before all else group, but that's because if I didn't force myself to love my body a couple summers ago I have no idea what state I'd be in now. But I still eat healthily and exercise well, just now its because I want to treat my body properly now that I love it. Not my weight.

Tete_en_l'Air

Oooh yeah - Mini Eggs and Creme Eggs are in the shops!! They'll make a nice change from Roses and Quality Street haha!

You're right about the boredom Birdie I'm a bit like that, I like to have chocolate or something to snack on when I'm watching TV, out of habit really. Though taking up crochet means I can't eat as I don't want to get chocolate or grease on the baby's blanket so that could be a good weight loss trick!

Glad you're granny's hanging in there and is comfortable, and that NIM is looking after you. Hope the car woman pays up - I hate ebay!!

Cinny91

Tete_en_l'Air wrote: »

Oooh yeah - Mini Eggs and Creme Eggs are in the shops!! They'll make a nice change from Roses and Quality Street haha!

Yumm, Creme Eggs! We've kind of not had a real break from them last year though with them bringing the Halloween ones. Not many if any for me this year though, it's sad when money's so tight a 43p belly-yum is out of the question But we've got 2 holidays in the next 2 months, everything is going towards them!