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How much does the UK need foreign scientists?
vivatifosi
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Thought I'd post this specially for our own missk.
Great article on the BBC News website, looking at the immigration cuts and the need for foreign scientists to work in the UK.
Apparently 10.5% of science academics are from outside of the UK.
This year the Nobel Prize for Physics was won by scientists from the University of Manchester. One is from Russia - Konstantin Novoselov - who stated "We are extremely happy with our home students, but we really rely on the information, knowledge and skills which are brought by students who have been working in other leading institutions across the world". His fellow prizewinner, Andre Geim, also from Russia, pointed to the importance of international collaboration in science.
Five out of six of the UK-based Nobel science Laureates since 2007 were foreign - and taking into consideration arguably Britain's most lauded Nobel win - only one of the team that discovered DNA was British.
Nearly 40% of the UK's scientific output involved international collaboration.
Science is vital to our economy and I agree that this is one area where immigration cannot be cut. What do you think?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11496659
Great article on the BBC News website, looking at the immigration cuts and the need for foreign scientists to work in the UK.
Apparently 10.5% of science academics are from outside of the UK.
This year the Nobel Prize for Physics was won by scientists from the University of Manchester. One is from Russia - Konstantin Novoselov - who stated "We are extremely happy with our home students, but we really rely on the information, knowledge and skills which are brought by students who have been working in other leading institutions across the world". His fellow prizewinner, Andre Geim, also from Russia, pointed to the importance of international collaboration in science.
Five out of six of the UK-based Nobel science Laureates since 2007 were foreign - and taking into consideration arguably Britain's most lauded Nobel win - only one of the team that discovered DNA was British.
Nearly 40% of the UK's scientific output involved international collaboration.
Science is vital to our economy and I agree that this is one area where immigration cannot be cut. What do you think?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11496659
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We have plenty of scientists in this countryvivatifosi wrote: »Thought I'd post this specially for our own missk.
Great article on the BBC News website, looking at the immigration cuts and the need for foreign scientists to work in the UK.
Apparently 10.5% of science academics are from outside of the UK.
This year the Nobel Prize for Physics was won by scientists from the University of Manchester. One is from Russia - Konstantin Novoselov - who stated "We are extremely happy with our home students, but we really rely on the information, knowledge and skills which are brought by students who have been working in other leading institutions across the world". His fellow prizewinner, Andre Geim, also from Russia, pointed to the importance of international collaboration in science.
Five out of six of the UK-based Nobel science Laureates since 2007 were foreign - and taking into consideration arguably Britain's most lauded Nobel win - only one of the team that discovered DNA was British.
Nearly 40% of the UK's scientifict output involved international collaboration.
Science is vital to our economy and I agree that this is one area where immigration cannot be cut. What do you think?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1149665930th June 2021 completely debt free…. Downsized, reduced working hours and living the dream.0 -
Many other people agree with you
http://scienceisvital.org.uk/
The UK is now looking less and less competitive in the world market for scientists. And when you can't attract the best scientists, you'll not be able to be regarded as the best in the world. This country has a long history of being well regarded but you can only trade so much on reputation alone.
Before anyone else wonders what this has to do with the economy, university education (in fact, general education), is a large contributor to the economy. The international students subsidise the home students and universities are keen to attract them so they can continue to provide the standards of education that everyone wants to aspire to.
It's quite complex and late so I'll stop here for now.0 -
Before anyone else wonders what this has to do with the economy, university education (in fact, general education), is a large contributor to the economy.
As well the catalyst for technology businesses that later go on to be larger companies in their own rights. People only have to look at the biotech businesses that have sprung up around Cambridge, the specialist engineering firms along the M40 or just the science parks and business incubation units around major unis to see this. I can't believe the government would be so shortsighted.Please stay safe in the sun and learn the A-E of melanoma: A = asymmetry, B = irregular borders, C= different colours, D= diameter, larger than 6mm, E = evolving, is your mole changing? Most moles are not cancerous, any doubts, please check next time you visit your GP.
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We have plenty of scientists in this country
Yes, 90% of scientists will be from the UK and other EU countries.
Scientists are very vulnerable to the current immigration caps. The government has drastically reduced the number of employees under license (sponsored workers) and increased the minimum salary requirements for the points-based schemes. As such, many of the brains cannot qualify.
America understands the dynamics of people who move for the best research and they have specific visas for those undergoing training and try not to exclude them.
Having the best brains makes your country an attractive investment opportunity.0 -
About 20 years ago I was working as a temp for University of Cambridge Dept of Surgery - had to fill out these big forms to bring in a Chinese surgeon. His skills in micro surgery were needed for the transplantation research work they were doing. They did a lot of kidney/organ transplant and donor research work - and the Chinese were highly proficient at the tiniest stitches in the world.
He and his wife came over. He got the job through the paperwork that had to be filled in for the Home Office, but his wife didn't need any kind of work permit so long as she worked in catering/retail/cleaning (I think those were the three main ones at the time that no work permit was needed for).
They also brought a baby over.0 -
Why do we not just do what suits our Country?vivatifosi wrote: »Thought I'd post this specially for our own missk.
Great article on the BBC News website, looking at the immigration cuts and the need for foreign scientists to work in the UK.
Apparently 10.5% of science academics are from outside of the UK.
This year the Nobel Prize for Physics was won by scientists from the University of Manchester. One is from Russia - Konstantin Novoselov - who stated "We are extremely happy with our home students, but we really rely on the information, knowledge and skills which are brought by students who have been working in other leading institutions across the world". His fellow prizewinner, Andre Geim, also from Russia, pointed to the importance of international collaboration in science.
Five out of six of the UK-based Nobel science Laureates since 2007 were foreign - and taking into consideration arguably Britain's most lauded Nobel win - only one of the team that discovered DNA was British.
Nearly 40% of the UK's scientific output involved international collaboration.
Science is vital to our economy and I agree that this is one area where immigration cannot be cut. What do you think?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11496659
Let scientists in. Keep the rapist gangsters and child traffickers out.
Whats the probem? Oh I see. The UK always has to be seen to be fair. Even at the detriment of its own people. Give me strength!!The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mystical. It is the power of all true art and science.
He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead.
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imho the best way to solve the immigration numbers is make the migrant pay the equivalent of average wages tax regardless of what they earn.
Most people are more concerned about 1000's of non-english speaking migrants coming in to work as cleaners than PHD's etc earning a good wage and that would stop employers using immigrants as cheap labour.0 -
Before anyone else wonders what this has to do with the economy, university education (in fact, general education), is a large contributor to the economy.
I was quite surpised to read that those on student visas can bring dependants with them (spouse, unmarried partner, civil partner, children) and that they all get free NHS and free schooling for the children.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
imho the best way to solve the immigration numbers is make the migrant pay the equivalent of average wages tax regardless of what they earn.
My son worked in Oz on a visa and had to pay more tax than an Australian as he wasn't an Australian citizen.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0 -
America understands the dynamics of people who move for the best research and they have specific visas for those undergoing training and try not to exclude them.
I thought I read on the US forums that America doesn't allow dependants of visa holders to work, so that they don't take an US job?
They said that even a non USC spouse of a USC, was not allowed to work for a set period of time (2 years?).
The UK allows visa holders dependants to work, plus other perks like the NHS with no exemptions for existing conditions.RENTING? Have you checked to see that your landlord has permission from their mortgage lender to rent the property? If not, you could be thrown out with very little notice.
Read the sticky on the House Buying, Renting & Selling board.0
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