How much does the UK need foreign scientists?

MissMoneypenny

blueboy43 wrote: »

He probably filled out a form saying he was non-resident for tax purposes.

However if he was planning to work for 6 months (out of the 12 months visa) in the same place within the tax year, then he could have claimed that he was resident for tax purposes.

If he was in the second category, he would have paid the same tax as an aussie.

Thanks for that. He was never sure if he could claim anything back, but I'll pass that on to him.

I have a feeling though that he worked in Sydney for less than 6 months, as his firm flew him out to set up a new system.

MissMoneypenny

ninky wrote: »

we are short sighted fools. everyone thinks this uk is such an attractive option because of our nhs and welfare state.

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewforum.php?f=38

neverdespairgirl

ninky wrote: »

they ran this story on Channel 4 news last night too. they were speaking to an asian phd student who had wanted to study in cambridge but was refused a visa because he wasn't earning 25k in his home country. the earnings limits obviously disadvantage those coming from countries with weaker currencies.

that makes no sense at all.

Firstly, people who are studying don't need to meet any income requirements anyway.

Secondly, income requirements are set at different levels for different countries. So to get the points for earning £25k, you don't need to actually earn £25k in rupees or whatever. There's a multiplier.

giruzz

FTBFun wrote: »

Yep, same here for me - I had to pay 30% tax with no tax free allowance.

Bit grating when most Aussies over here on WHVs try and dodge as much tax as possible, usually through umbrella companies.

I lived in AUS for 3.5yrs (first year with on WHV) and I paid taxes as everyone else.

On WHV you are classified as non resident but you are entitled to a tax refund if you stay more than 6 months (I think).

After the tax year was over I submitted my tax refund application and it was processed in 7 working days.

My gf did it too...her tax refund application was processed in 5 working days.

Different tax systems...different rules...just need to do your research and then identify how to obtain the max from your situation.

regards,

giruz

sleepyj

davilown wrote: »

We have plenty of scientists in this country

No you're wrong. Most of the top brains in this country have been railroaded into the banking sector. I'm lecturing at one of the top universities and I see them get swooped up with high digit salary offers. While we get applications from many many foreign students wanting to take up PhD's, its much rarer to get a British student now. It's the same with postdocs. Quite simply, to keep Britain as an international leader in research we need the best talent, and it doesn't tend to come from Britain as we've lost an entire generation of scientists to banking.

misskool

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Really???

A prospective Tier1 visa holder from India, is allowed to multiply their Indian wage by 5.5 to reach the lowest earning for a tier 1 visa. Lots of Indians get their tier 1 visas using the multipliers.

PHD students can get universities to sponsor them on tier 2 visas, if the universty thinks they are good enough. On a tier 2 visa, the salary doesn't come into the equation. If the university (or business) thinks they are good, they will just sponsor them on a tier2.

Talks the talk,but couldn't walk the walk, maybe?

To qualify for Tier 1, you will need to earn £35k or more and have a phd and be under 35. You will be hard pressed to find a university job that pays more than £35k. After 10 years in education, in a job where I work 7 days a week etc etc (bla bla bla, boring bit here), I still don't make more than a city-trained PA.

PhD students enter the country on Tier4 (the old student visas). The universities are now limited in the number of Tier2 workers they are allowed to sponsor, even more so with the new immigration caps.

PasturesNew

Australia and the US wouldn't let me over there to work - I'm too old.

neverdespairgirl

The Tier One (general) rules don't mean you have to have a PhD. You can get it with a recent income of zero, and with no academic qualifications at all, so long as you make up the right number of points.

As a new applicant, you need to have 80 points. As a renewing-visa migrant, you need 75.

You get 30 points for a bachelor's degree, 35 for a master's, and 45 for a PhD. They are not cumulative, you claim the highest level you are entitled to.

You get 80 points for a very recent MBA from specific places, so you'd get there just with that.

You get points for income, too - for a new applicant, 5 points for earning £35k to £30k, 15 points for £30k to £35k, all the way up to 80 points for £150k or more.

You can get 5 points for a UK qualification, and 5 points for earning money in the UK before.

You get 20 points for being under 30, 10 for being 30 to 34, and 5 for being 35 to 40.

The applicant must have 10 points under paragraphs 1 to 2 of Appendix B - English language ability.

The applicant must have 10 points under paragraphs 1 to 3 of Appendix C - enough money to keep you going while you find a job.

ChiefGrasscutter

sleepyj wrote: »

Quite simply, to keep Britain as an international leader in research we need the best talent, and it doesn't tend to come from Britain as we've lost an entire generation of scientists to banking.

...and from not investing in engineering/science infrastructure to keep the engineering/science going in these sectors.
The most well known example is nuclear power: most of our nuclear engineers are retired now and no new projects over the last x-years means the capacity to design/build them is now 'lost'
A less well known example is trains. B.R used to put out an order when the gov allowed it to. The UK firms cannot keep up their traction engineering depts based on one massive order ever 20 years! Other countries has no intention of giving such 'strategic' type orders to the UK so our locomotive sector gradually shut up shop/ was taken over: now our trains are made by the likes of Bombadier and Siemens

vivatifosi

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

You get 30 points for a bachelor's degree, 35 for a master's, and 45 for a PhD. They are not cumulative, you claim the highest level you are entitled to.

You get 80 points for a very recent MBA from specific places, so you'd get there just with that.

That's crazy. People with MBAs have the ability to earn money and run companies and make a difference now, people with science PhDs have the ability to shape the future.