Child Benefit fiasco: cuts 'unravelling' already...

Out,_Vile_Jelly

I knew Polly would come out with a classic in response to this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/oct/05/universal-credit-cost-welfare-reform

The bit about poor families being exiled from Notting Hill made me laugh out loud so hard that the bloke in the next office came in to ask what was so funny.

dave4545454

ILW wrote: »

Funny the way the relatively comfotable start squealing as soon as they think they may lose a few quid from their benefits whilst at the same time thinking everyone else should make sacrifices.

they are often the ones who attack the unemployed as "benefit scroungers" but start sobbing when they lose their benefits. hypocrites

Aberdeenangarse

chucky wrote: »

and here's another one right here

you got to feel sorry for these chimps...

Just like this one?


http://www.eu-3.com/pb/2010/08/happy-pet-big-buddy-chucky-chimp/

My dogs favourite toy in the “whole world”, he has four.. (Managing Director of Pet-Supermarket)

I heard you were good with old dogs!

torontoboy45

away from all the personal stuff about carol, harry, etc.

so what happens next?

this looks -on the face of it- like the well-worn tactic of kite-flying that lab's spinmeisters were so fond of. a swell of negative reaction and the paper is watered-down or abandoned.

given the consternation I guess that this is already dead(ish) in the water and we'll soon need something else to argue about.

btw: interesting to hear dave and george going back on a clear promise given during the election.

blueboy43

lemonjelly wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thing, but for goodness sakes this thread is as ridiculous as some of the moaning from the high earners who will be affected by this (as highlighted by dopesters post after 4-5 posts).

I'd agree (and will end up not getting 2 x CB) but the same logic applies to winter fuel allowance & free bus passes.

The real problem is around the margins.

Anyone who currently earns between £43,875 and £45,600 will potentially have a marginal tax rate of over 100%.

For those earning just over the 40% threshhold the marginal tax rate could be more than 1000%.

Its lunacy.

blueboy43

budgeteer wrote: »

I don't think it's a fiasco. I think this coaltion are trying to think of fair and innovative ways to cut the deficit. To cut the benefit for higher earners seems to be a reasonable thing to do. Yes, we need to support stay at home mums, but at least they are protecting all lower earners.

Marginal tax rates of over 100% ?

I'd say thats fairly innovative.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

michaels wrote: »

I can not see any difference in terms of 'need' or 'deserve' in these two families - why should one get the benefit and the other not?
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Neither should.

But fixing half the problem is a good start.

ILW

carolt wrote: »

Certainly.

Or working at all, if they currently have children and pay rent.

Coalitions maximum benefits package = 26K.

Someone earning 44K after tax - take home of £32,270.40.

So that's 6K a year benefit for a full week's work. Or actually less, once you factor in all the non-financial benefits you'd get if still on benefits - free school meals, free prescriptions, free dental and eye care, etc Uniform grants? Reduced cost or free children's activities? (Don't know if they're universal - certainly widespread round here.)

Plus you have to factor in transport costs to work, work clothes and any childcare costs.

Oooh look - not much left of the £500/month - for example - my OH's transport bill to work is c £250/month - not at all unusual in commuterland...

So you can do a full year's work, and be - ooh, maybe £100 a month better off.

Big incentive to work. Not.

Bet your OH doesn't chuck in the job and sign on though.

ILW

I for one am sick of paying for other peoples children, in particular the ones that earn a lot more than I do.

ILW

blueboy43 wrote: »

I'd agree (and will end up not getting 2 x CB) but the same logic applies to winter fuel allowance & free bus passes.

The real problem is around the margins.

Anyone who currently earns between £43,875 and £45,600 will potentially have a marginal tax rate of over 100%.

For those earning just over the 40% threshhold the marginal tax rate could be more than 1000%.

Its lunacy.

So take a £50.00pa pay cut.