Child Benefit fiasco: cuts 'unravelling' already...

Really2

Hauptmann wrote: »

When you say you 'deal with teachers' what does that mean. My sister teaches the new starters at school. Seems an horrendous job to me and when I see her she looks totally drained. Not I job I would ever want to do.

BTW - I am not a teacher!! I run a car sales and repair business and also a small property business. I earn about 5x as much as my sister - LOL!

We deal with schools and talk to teachers daily
How else could we deal with them and know when they work?:)

I am not saying some teachers don't work over, but the vast majority are not in before 8:30am and nearly all are out before 4pm.

sss555s

Anyone who is complaining about the CB cut is either...

a/ A strong Labour supporter who was happy for them to keep handing out and trying to pay the interest payments on time.

b/ Yes we want cuts (just as long as it doesn't affect me)

carolt

Please see my 'sacrifices' thread, sss, and detail yours.

Thanks.

MissMoneypenny

dopester wrote: »

I'd should link you to the Guardian artcile where the journo is mostly getting slated in the comments for his whining - wanting sympathy for him and his 5 kids - but I can't get to grips with this browser (history urls) and haven't yet reinstalled firefox on this fresh O/S install.

And I've read that Mumsnet thread and it doesn't seem "99% against the cuts" to me. There are some very funny posts on it. Like the woman who gave up work and thinks the Tories are against her idea of "rewarding ambition" in their quest to have ever more children.

Also even if opinion is weighted against the cut on that thread, then it is a thread of mothers/parents with house-hold incomes over the threshold who are doing most of the complaining. Not entirely balanced.

Not much sympathy on the benefits board on this site too
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2769496

lemonjelly

I haven't read the whole thing, but for goodness sakes this thread is as ridiculous as some of the moaning from the high earners who will be affected by this (as highlighted by dopesters post after 4-5 posts).

!!!!!!, if you earn circa £50k a year, you really are not going to miss the miniscule amount of money proportionately that you get from child benefit. I work with a lot of parents who earn less - recently a parent earning £35k a year didn't know if they were getting child benefit or not.

Proportionately it is a miniscule amount of cash.

Other benefits will be significantly cut, seriously harming the poor, the disabled, and other such groups, & the tories will argue that they have "shared around the pain".

This is a tokenism attempt to argue in the future that everyone is affected.

Problem is, that not everyone is affected in the same way, & we all know who will be hit hardest.

FWIW I have little time for some of those rolled out in front of the cameras to say on the news they think it is a little tough - though it does highlight really well the 2 faced nature of people being for cuts until it affects them.

sss555s

carolt wrote: »

Please see my 'sacrifices' thread, sss, and detail yours.

Thanks.

10 steps ahead carol

Really2

carolt wrote: »

You have, AFAIK, only one chid, so your childcare costs would be much lower, and you stand to lose much less. Plus I dont know your fixed costs - ours (rent, travel costs etc) are quite high, and impossible to change, without moving to an area where we have no jobs at all! Yes, we'd get our child benefit back for sure, but I hardly think we want to incentivise current taxpayers to give up work entirely - that would really be a poor outcome for these changes!

Child care 3 days.

I work 10 miles from work my wife 14 miles, semi rural so have to run 2 cars.

Mortgage which we pay £1130PM by choice.

We chose to have one child, we may have another? But we know it will be up to us to provide for it, we have never budgeted for benefits.
They are something that can go at any time.

carolt

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Not much sympathy on the benefits board on this site too
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2769496

As pointed out, dopester's thread is somewhat unrepresentative - try the thread with 900 posts here:

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/1054518-So-child-benefit-to-go-for-higher-rate-taxpayers/AllOnOnePage

rather than dopester's one with a mere 80 posts for more of a flavour of mumsnet's opinion.

Re the mse view, it was pointed out last night on the Nice People thread, that the subject had been debaed on the Marriages board where opinion was much closer to my view - probably because, as Gene Hunt astutely observed, women's views are very different to men's on this issue - probably because it is largely women who currently receive Child Benefit.

Alan_Cross

sss555s wrote: »

Anyone who is complaining about the CB cut is either...

a/ A strong Labour supporter who was happy for them to keep handing out and trying to pay the interest payments on time.

b/ Yes we want cuts (just as long as it doesn't affect me)

Don't forget:

c/ Dyed in the wool Tories who think that there is no such thing as society except when it's handy for them personally to benefit financially from social provision

and

d/ Gullible Libdems who are beginning to realise the price to be paid for Clegg's and Cable's, unearned and meaningless ministerial letterheads.

Hauptmann

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Labour didn't want to get back in power as they would have had to sort out the mess they created, themselves and they didn't know how to do it. After all, they had inherited a model economy and managed to turn it into a basket case in a decade.

I have been in business since 1979 and watched the economy go up and down. I was nearly put out of business twice (once by Thatcher and again by Major). If you think we were living in a 'model economy' in the mid-90's you know nothing about what was going on at that time. Labour had a lot of support from the small business community.
Much of last 10 years were a terrific time for many business people, and (trust me) many fortunes were made. Obviously the banking crisis put paid to that - but there are still a LOT of business people sitting on a LOT of money and investments. Despite all the hyperbole in the media England is still a country with many wealthy people and there is still a good income to be made from a well run business.
My main concern (and that of the Federation of Small Businesses) is that the government are going to pursue such an agressive 'scorched Earch' policy of cuts in the Public Sector that many small businesses will go under. This is particularly true away from the South East.
Many of my customers are public sector workers and they don't earn big salaries (I know that, because I have sight of their financial data when we do their vehicle finance).
The FSB recons that for every 1000 public sector workers that lose their jobs, 600 private sector workers will be laid off. The small business communities of many towns, particularly in the midlands and north, could be hit hard.
Cuts need to be made, but at a sensible pace and thoughtfully targeted. This recent CB debacle doesn't bode well.