Child Benefit fiasco: cuts 'unravelling' already...

Graham_Devon

LauraW10 wrote: »

Ha Ha! The Tories have only been in power for 4 months and they have shown themselves up for the lying bunch of charlatans that they are.

Watch my lips "We will Preserve Child Benefit"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpirNq7eR_Q

Check this one out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSieUhqIR6k

BACKFRMTHEEDGE

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Check this one out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSieUhqIR6k

Ha Ha - you are desperate to defend shysters!

As far as we know Blair was telling the truth - unless you know otherwise ?

Graham_Devon

BACKFRMTHEEDGE wrote: »

Ha Ha - you are desperate to defend shysters!

As far as we know Blair was telling the truth - unless you know otherwise ?

LOL, no, just playing along in the game.

And telling the truth?

Sorry? Where were these weapons of mass destruction?

robpw2

the idea is brilliant they want to reward people who are working so the fact they so if both parents are working they will get child benefit if they earn up to 80k odd but if only one parent works then 44 k is the limit far too many parents stay at home all day using the kids as an excuse(even though kids are at school)

Graham_Devon

robpw2 wrote: »

the idea is brilliant they want to reward people who are working so the fact they so if both parents are working they will get child benefit if they earn up to 80k odd but if only one parent works then 44 k is the limit far too many parents stay at home all day using the kids as an excuse(even though kids are at school)

Hang on a minute.

It's no ones business if a mother or father decides to stay at home looking after the kids.

They are not required to "get out there" and work.

We are not paying for their upkeep, their working partner is, so it's none of anyones business how they decide to live their home lives, let alone telling them they use their kids as an "excuse".

robpw2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Hang on a minute.

It's no ones business if a mother or father decides to stay at home looking after the kids.

They are not required to "get out there" and work.

We are not paying for their upkeep, their working partner is, so it's none of anyones business how they decide to live their home lives, let alone telling them they use their kids as an "excuse".

you are paying for their upkeep if they are getting child benefit .. why should poor people who are on nmw jobs work hard to pay rich people to bring up their children
the government is now all about forcing people into work labour started it now the tories will finish it .. if you want more money you get a job simples and if you cannot afford to have kids then don't simples

Graham_Devon

robpw2 wrote: »

you are paying for their upkeep if they are getting child benefit .. why should poor people who are on nmw jobs work hard to pay rich people to bring up their children
the government is now all about forcing people into work labour started it now the tories will finish it .. if you want more money you get a job simples and if you cannot afford to have kids then don't simples

I'm not paying for the mother to live at home through CB. It's hardly enough to justify living at home on!

I'd be paying much more through childcare schemes for them to return to work.

Plus, the idea of a load of kids in childcare is a horrible one.

This is a family choice. If they can provide for themselves, then it's no ones business whether one decides to stay at home to raise the children.

robpw2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

This is a family choice. If they can provide for themselves, then it's no ones business whether one decides to stay at home to raise the children.

then they do not need child benefit as you say they shoudl provide for themselves

Pennywise

This proposal is absolutely bonkers. It's already bad enough that a couple both working, earning £60k p.a. pay a lot less tax than if one partner worked earning £60k and the other didn't work - due to the non-use of the non workers annual allowance and basic rate band. This proposal makes that stupid situation even worse. I thought the Tories said that they'd do something about the current 2 versus 1 worker household tax problem -instead they're making it worse. I really thought we'd seen the last of "the back of a fag packet" policies but it seems the new lot are just as bad. Here's a hint for George and Dave - "think it through" and if you're too dim to do that yourself, get someone else to think it through for you!

Graham_Devon

robpw2 wrote: »

then they do not need child benefit as you say they shoudl provide for themselves

I didn't say they should, I said they do.

The problem with your proposal of it being all ok, is that it unfairly targets people who wish to raise their kids, and do so without state help.

CB has always been a universal benefit. To cut it from a certain section of society, in an extremely unfair and unjust way, to save some costs on administration of the proposals is wrong.

I hate the "think of the kids" line. But can use it properly here. There are major benefits to having a parent bringing up the child, as opposed to loads of kids in childcare all day long.

I'd have no problem if you said scrap it for everyone. But to use the line "use the kids as an excuse to stay at home" is grossly unfair, whatsmore, untrue.