Cheap Train Fares guide discussion

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  • ButtsButts Forumite
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    I have been able to secure an advanced 1st Class Single on the above route for £60.00 quite frequently on weekdays.

    Booked through Virgin Trains Website as a through fare consisting of:

    Falkirk to Edinburgh Waverley (Scotrail)

    Edinburgh Waverley to Wolverhampton (Virgin)

    Wolverhampton to Sandwell & Dudley (Virgin)

    It is normally only available incorporating the 1852 Virgin Departure from Edinburgh Waverley.

    The ticket is Virgin WC and Connections.


    I know X Country have a £57.50 1st Single from Edinburgh to Birmingham that is freely available but it takes an hour longer and the freebies are inferior to Virgins ( You have to pay for alcohol !!)

    Can anyone come up with a 1st Class Split that will undercut the £60 - I have been unable to do so !!!

    Many Thanks !!!
  • edited 19 January 2011 at 12:56AM
    Jeff_Bridges_hairJeff_Bridges_hair Forumite
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    edited 19 January 2011 at 12:56AM
    be better if you gave us a definate date to work off. Have you not thought of going to glasgow and down from there to try splitting at Crewe ? Possibly you could get a cheaper ticekt from Crewe to Birmingham itself and making sure you are in possesion of a single from Brum to Sandwell?

    use here for the best virgin fares http://www.farefinder.virgintrains.co.uk/

    You could split glasgow to preston >New Street. Then just the local train back to sandwell
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  • ButtsButts Forumite
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    I came back last time via Glasgow :

    Sandwell & Dudley - Stafford (Change Wolves)
    Stafford - Glasgow Central
    Glasgow QST - Falkirk

    Through 1st TKT Stafford - Falkirk 47.00

    S&D - STA 9.00

    So a bit cheaper but it was a Sat - crap 1st Service Food/Drink plus you have the arseing about changing stations in Glasgow.
  • moonrakerzmoonrakerz Forumite
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    dzug1 wrote: »
    The FARE will be the same on all sites, by definition - they all sell the same tickets at the same price with few exceptions.

    dzug1 is just about correct - the fare SHOULD be the same on all sites !

    On a rail forum there has been a lot of comment regarding apparently different prices on different sites for the same journey.
    This DOES appear to be happening in a few cases. Three reasons:

    1. Some tickets may have slightly different routing/TOC restrictions on them, which are not obvious at the time of booking.

    2. One TOC appears to have "frozen" some prices.

    3. When purchasing a ticket on-line the ticket is made "not available" to other would-be purchasers for a period of time, to enable the original booking to be completed. If the original booking is not completed the ticket will be made available for re-sale but after a delay.
    Therefore it is possible to find a cheaper ticket available after it appears that all those cheap tickets have been sold - If this is noticed when using a different website, then the natural conclusion is that the second website is selling tickets at a lower price than the first. It isn't - it is just that a cheaper ticket has become available again, it will be on all websites at that price.

    What is indisputable is that most TOCs are cheaper than the commercial ticket sellers due to lack of booking/postage fees etc.
  • moonrakerz wrote: »
    dzug1 is just about correct - the fare SHOULD be the same on all sites !

    On a rail forum there has been a lot of comment regarding apparently different prices on different sites for the same journey.
    This DOES appear to be happening in a few cases. Three reasons:

    1. Some tickets may have slightly different routing/TOC restrictions on them, which are not obvious at the time of booking.

    2. One TOC appears to have "frozen" some prices.

    3. When purchasing a ticket on-line the ticket is made "not available" to other would-be purchasers for a period of time, to enable the original booking to be completed. If the original booking is not completed the ticket will be made available for re-sale but after a delay.
    Therefore it is possible to find a cheaper ticket available after it appears that all those cheap tickets have been sold - If this is noticed when using a different website, then the natural conclusion is that the second website is selling tickets at a lower price than the first. It isn't - it is just that a cheaper ticket has become available again, it will be on all websites at that price.

    What is indisputable is that most TOCs are cheaper than the commercial ticket sellers due to lack of booking/postage fees etc.

    Apart from east coast who have now started charging you for postage.Also you forgot that by booking via a TOCs own website for the journey you may get one of their special 10% off offers for booking your journey on their service with them. But your damn right
    Butts wrote: »
    I came back last time via Glasgow :

    Sandwell & Dudley - Stafford (Change Wolves)
    Stafford - Glasgow Central
    Glasgow QST - Falkirk

    Through 1st TKT Stafford - Falkirk 47.00

    S&D - STA 9.00

    So a bit cheaper but it was a Sat - crap 1st Service Food/Drink plus you have the arseing about changing stations in Glasgow.

    so you want cheap but no changes then.. let us know a rough date because we are pretty hopeless and it will all be speculative without one..
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  • ButtsButts Forumite
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    OK heres a live example for you to get your teeth into.....

    Wednesday 26th January Falkirk Grahamston (FKG) to Sandwell & Dudley (SAD) any time of the day.

    On the Virgin Trains Website there are 14 journeys listed for this date.

    1st Class Fare for 12 = £214.50 (Walk Up)
    1= £105.00 (Advanced Single)

    and my favourite.....Falkirk 1754 - Edinburgh 1836 (Scotrail) Edinburgh 1852 - Wolverhampton 2232 (Virgin) Wolverhampton 2245 Sandwell & Dudley(2254)

    1st Class Fare £60 Advanced Single.....


    Can anyone beat this with a journey any time of the day on any TOC as this seems widely available at least once a day on Virgin.

    My God it's a bargain .... on the Edinburgh to Wolverhampton leg last time I went (Tuesday 11th January) 2 Ciders, Three Scotches,Two Coffees, Two Sandwiches, Two Pkts Crisps, Two Pkts Pretzels , A Bananna (concession to healthy eating) An Independent Newspaper and Wifi all gratis certainly smoothed the passage !!!
  • your leaving it too late really to get anything better if im honest. Seems you only care about the free booze which is a shame because you can do that journey much much cheaper.


    have you tried splitting at Crewe also?
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    your leaving it too late really to get anything better if im honest. Seems you only care about the free booze which is a shame because you can do that journey much much cheaper.


    have you tried splitting at Crewe also?


    Much cheaper in First Class ? - okay find me an example any time in the next twelve weeks where you can undercut this Fare in 1st Class on a weekday.

    With regard to the free booze if it's on offer would you turn it down-it certainly speeds the journey up.

    I have tried splitting at Crewe but not been able to beat £60 :D
  • jules42jules42 Forumite
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    help please lovely people :D

    2 adults and 2 kids using family rail card

    northallerton - london kings cross

    29/1/11 leaving after 7 am returning after 20.00 hrs

    thanking you :D
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  • edited 19 January 2011 at 4:23PM
    Jeff_Bridges_hairJeff_Bridges_hair Forumite
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    edited 19 January 2011 at 4:23PM
    jules42 wrote: »
    help please lovely people :D

    2 adults and 2 kids using family rail card

    northallerton - london kings cross

    29/1/11 leaving after 7 am returning after 20.00 hrs

    thanking you :D


    They dont want you in London - I just heard ;)

    £111.30 is the best fare for you outlined below. because the morning train must be very full you could try splitting at York but im not sure you would make much of a saving unless you used GC to get from there to London.


    Outward journey29 Jan 2011 Return journey29 Jan 2011
    Depart:
    Northallerton dep. 07:41
    Arrive:
    London Kings Cross, 10:13
    Changes: 0 Duration: 2h 32m
    Passengers
    2 Adults
    2 Children
    Railcards
    1 Family & Friends
    EC Advance£74.20

    Depart:
    London Kings Cross dep. 21:00
    Arrive:
    Northallerton, 23:19
    Changes: 0 Duration: 2h 19m
    Passengers
    2 Adults
    2 Children
    Railcards
    1 Family & Friends
    EC Advance£37.10
    "If you no longer go for a gap, you are no longer a racing driver" - Ayrton Senna
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