A quick thank you (Ryanair)

Bob_the_Saver

stoneman wrote: »

We could never lower ourselves to fly pikeyair. Imagine the cost of my wife taking this lot, recently seen on a short trip to Tenerife lol

And I see that doesn't include her shoes :eek:

Nobjocki

peterbaker wrote: »

I am suggesting they'd better be good because most of us fly with them and they are the pathfinders. They should know best. We rely on them to do what's right. The Holy Father has an inside track to what's in store for his IAA regulated operation each time it flies. I'd say Mr O'Leary does too. For an airline or a religious man or a passenger, it's a question of deciding where you want to be, how you are going to get there, of trust in others and at the end of the day of a certain faith, isn't it?

Back down on the ground I'd say 18 hours drinking in the local each week is too much, but 18 hours flying if that's 3 or 4 days worth is quite healthy. But that's slack October through March for you isn't it? The 25 minute turnarounds and the security checks and commute times take a toll too of course - and then things always hot up somewhat in the summer

PS So you can call the safety ethos 100% safe or extremely safe or ultra-cautious if you want, but tell your mate down the pub we are not so much interested in what you call it but in that they do it right, and are seen to do it right.

PPS Where'd you get the hearsay, obfuscation and cut and paste ideas from?

PPPS OK you got me, I admit I cut and pasted Eyjafjallajokull

What, still no evidence ?
You're beginning to resemble the Inpsector Closeau of airline safety !:D

Jeff_Bridges_hair

peterbaker wrote: »

Edit: Here you go, this seems as on topic as any and I have chosen it because on the face of it it appears to be what we want - I am not aware that it shows any bias one way or other - I haven't even started reading an details yet - I can see there are many more incidents with a number of airlines which I hadn't heard about.

I have read all that and there is nothing on there that states Ryanair have had anything to do with the incidents posted. Bird strikes and poor weather landings do not affect the airlines safety record. So can you find out any factual information that backs up your claim?

peterbaker

nothing on there that states Ryanair have had anything to do with the incidents posted

Of course not, Jeff, those are links to simple news stories relating to a number of airlines, not just Ryanair. They are not official accident reports which are easily found if you really want to read them. Nobjocki was suggesting it might be interesting to compare airlines and that basic website I found is as good as any as a starting point. Clearly it is run by an enthusiast who prides himself/herself in logging every publicly reported incident with every European lo-cost airline.

Agreed that birdstrikes are naturally a bit of a lottery but are often a function of the airport location (birds generally do not fly above 2000 feet, and some airport locations are unfortunately nearer known bird habitats than others.)

Poor landing performances in poor weather are usually a result of p|ss poor planning. If you can't plan your own luck in poor weather then you should be flying somewhere else or not at all. End of.

Jeff_Bridges_hair

peterbaker wrote: »

Of course not, Jeff, those are links to simple news stories relating to a number of airlines, not just Ryanair. They are not official accident reports which are easily found if you really want to read them. Nobjocki was suggesting it might be interesting to compare airlines and that basic website I found is as good as any as a starting point. Clearly it is run by an enthusiast who prides themselves in logging every publicly reported incident with every European lo-cost airlines.

Agreed that birdstrikes are naturally a bit of a lottery but are often a function of the airport location (birds generally do not fly above 2000 feet, and some airport locations are unfortunately nearer known bird habitats than others.)

Poor landing performances in poor weather are usually a result of p|ss poor planning. If you can't plan your own luck in poor weather then you should be flying somewhere else or not at all. End of.

The more you post the more deluded i find you. You were the one who was contesting the Ryanair 100% safety record and have brought nothing up to back up your statement.

And now you mention rubbish about poor weather flying? There are plenty of instances where planes have been nearly blown off course and thats no fault of the pilots nor the planners. Your talking some rubbish here son.

peterbaker

:rotfl:

Aircraft nearly blown off course?? Whatever next? I humbly submit that the Wright Brothers solved that one over 100 years ago, Jeff

Jeff_Bridges_hair

peterbaker wrote: »

:rotfl:

Aircraft nearly blown off course?? Whatever next? I humbly submit that the Wright Brothers solved that one over 100 years ago, Jeff

Your a mug peter a proper mug. Theres tons of videos of it happening and lots of them have been in the news..

now run along and find these facts that you still have not supplied to back up your petty arguement.

peterbaker

Oh you mean those thousands of YouTube videos which show pilots grappling with difficult crosswinds, maybe landing much too heavily on one wheel, maybe even scraping a wingtip and only then thinking better of it and going round again? There are lots of them and they are fun to watch I agree, just like it was fun to watch the Wright Brothers I am sure.

I don't actually recall seeing Ryanair aircraft in any of those however - they are generally too cool to be caught on video playing such games.:cool:

But every now and then we have seen a still shot or two that suggests it might have been a bit exciting before they slid off like some Premier League goalscorer

Jeff_Bridges_hair

peterbaker wrote: »

Oh you mean those thousands of YouTube videos which show pilots grappling with difficult crosswinds, maybe landing much too heavily on one wheel, maybe even scraping a wingtip and only then thinking better of it and going round again? There are lots of them and they are fun to watch I agree, just like it was fun to watch the Wright Brothers I am sure.

I don't actually recall seeing Ryanair aircraft in any of those however - they are generally too cool to be caught on video playing such games.:cool:

But every now and then we have seen a still shot or two that suggests it might have been a bit exciting before they slid off like some Premier League goalscorer

but you claim that these can be planned for

peterbaker wrote: »

Poor landing performances in poor weather are usually a result of p|ss poor planning. If you can't plan your own luck in poor weather then you should be flying somewhere else or not at all. End of.

I dont thinkn you can plan for a sudden rush of wind blowing you off course can you? Or are you some sort of superhero?

anyway can you get these facts to back up your claim about Ryanair or not?

we are still waiting. mind you I think bob will be back off many more trips before you actually come up with something.

Happy hunting.

peterbaker

Yep, I do mean that the weather can be planned for, Jeff. That's one of THE most important functions that all pilots are supposed to have fulfilled for every minute they are in the air. We have the technology and in its most rudimentary form it might be the radio which is used to ask the airport "Er, Airport, this is er.. Ryanair 123 kilo, could you pass your weather details?" so they can get the very latest before they decide to continue or bog off somewhere else before the fuel runs out.

As for "sudden rush of wind", well if you mean gusts then those have to be planned for. If you mean windshear or microbursts then I agree that's getting closer to lottery territory, but that's not what you see in those YouTube videos. In those, it's known crosswinds and gusts and in some cases maybe the end result of "some sudden rush of blood."

What claim are you still banging on about?? Surely not my counter claim to Nobjocki that his claim of a 100% safety record was incorrect?? 100% haven't kllled anyone sure, but not 100% safety record. I still haven't gone looking but my general knowledge includes the landing at the wrong airport (was supposed to be Knock in Northern Ireland I think, but they landed at some disused or otherwise non-commercial field cos it looked about right - IIRC a railway line actually dissects the runway they used :eek:). Then there was Limoges - off the end and into the mud, and there was Prestwick where they landed ok I think, but then left too much speed on whilst taxying and slid off the concrete into the mud.

That's three, but I am sure there are others which according to official reports did not leave them blameless.

But as I have tried to show, there's a fair sprinkling of these accidents across airlines. It's just that Ryanair are the biggest, so we are all pretty much bound to use them, so we expect the best from them. I haven't said we don't get the best from them, but they do need to keep working on it, don't they?

I thought Bob was already back from his latest? ... Anyway, I am sure he knows what I mean, even though I think he's more of a leg or breast man than a :A man