A quick thank you (Ryanair)

Bob_the_Saver

peterbaker wrote: »

Yep, I do mean that the weather can be planned for, Jeff. That's one of THE most important functions that all pilots are supposed to have fulfilled for every minute they are in the air. We have the technology and in its most rudimentary form it might be the radio which is used to ask the airport "Er, Airport, this is er.. Ryanair 123 kilo, could you pass your weather details?" so they can get the very latest before they decide to continue or bog off somewhere else before the fuel runs out.

As for "sudden rush of wind", well if you mean gusts then those have to be planned for. If you mean windshear or microbursts then I agree that's getting closer to lottery territory, but that's not what you see in those YouTube videos. In those, it's known crosswinds and gusts and in some cases maybe the end result of "some sudden rush of blood."

What claim are you still banging on about?? Surely not my counter claim to Nobjocki that his claim of a 100% safety record was incorrect?? 100% haven't kllled anyone sure, but not 100% safety record. I still haven't gone looking but my general knowledge includes the landing at the wrong airport (was supposed to be Knock in Northern Ireland I think, but they landed at some disused or otherwise non-commercial field cos it looked about right - IIRC a railway line actually dissects the runway they used :eek:). Then there was Limoges - off the end and into the mud, and there was Prestwick where they landed ok I think, but then left too much speed on whilst taxying and slid off the concrete into the mud.

That's three, but I am sure there are others which according to official reports did not leave them blameless.

But as I have tried to show, there's a fair sprinkling of these accidents across airlines. It's just that Ryanair are the biggest, so we are all pretty much bound to use them, so we expect the best from them. I haven't said we don't get the best from them, but they do need to keep working on it, don't they?

I thought Bob was already back from his latest? ... Anyway, I am sure he knows what I mean, even though I think he's more of a leg or breast man than a :A man

Yep, I'm in England until Monday then off to the Frozen north.

ScottySmog

peterbaker wrote: »

I still haven't gone looking but my general knowledge includes the landing at the wrong airport (was supposed to be Knock in Northern Ireland I think, but they landed at some disused or otherwise non-commercial field cos it looked about right - IIRC a railway line actually dissects the runway they used :eek:).

That was an Eirjet crew and aircraft (contracted to Ryanair admittedly) at Derry.

dickydonkin

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

The more you post the more deluded i find you. You were the one who was contesting the Ryanair 100% safety record and have brought nothing up to back up your statement.

And now you mention rubbish about poor weather flying? There are plenty of instances where planes have been nearly blown off course and thats no fault of the pilots nor the planners. Your talking some rubbish here son.

Ryanair have had their fair share of incidents such as runway collisions, however, the 100% 'safety record' refers to the injuries/loss of life - or lack of them.

It is a well established fact that where there are numbers of minor incidents, there will inevitably be a major - and that does not just apply to the aviation industry.

I am not suggesting that Ryanair are an unsafe airline - even though they have been accused of occasionally running on fuel vapour due to pilots (allegedly) not being allowed to carry emergency fuel.

l too have reservations about the quick turn around times and this is compounded that (thankfully) the majority of incidents involving Ryanair have occurred on the ground.

Personally, I would never fly with them and although I respect the views of the devotees of EI on here, I always judge how good a company is on how they deal with a situation when things go belly up and as skytrax reviewers can confirm, Ryanair are found sadly lacking in that department.

Nobjocki

dpassmore wrote: »

Ryanair have had their fair share of incidents such as runway collisions, however, the 100% 'safety record' refers to the injuries/loss of life - or lack of them.

It is a well established fact that where there are numbers of minor incidents, there will inevitably be a major - and that does not just apply to the aviation industry.

I am not suggesting that Ryanair are an unsafe airline - even though they have been accused of occasionally running on fuel vapour due to pilots (allegedly) not being allowed to carry emergency fuel.

l too have reservations about the quick turn around times and this is compounded that (thankfully) the majority of incidents involving Ryanair have occurred on the ground.

Personally, I would never fly with them and although I respect the views of the devotees of EI on here, I always judge how good a company is on how they deal with a situation when things go belly up and as skytrax reviewers can confirm, Ryanair are found sadly lacking in that department.

Much as I would be delighted for Ryanair to take over Aer Lingus Ryanair remains FR.

peterbaker

But just to be clear, the Pope doesn't fly Aer Lingus or Ryanair

wdyw

peterbaker wrote: »

I still haven't gone looking but my general knowledge includes the landing at the wrong airport (was supposed to be Knock in Northern Ireland I think,

Your general knowledge places Knock airport in the wrong country - but we get used to that with Ryanair. (though when I think of Knock I think of the golf club nestled between Stormont and the nurses flats....).

Bob_the_Saver

peterbaker wrote: »

But just to be clear, the Pope doesn't fly Aer Lingus or Ryanair

I bet he would if there was no card charges for using 'Paypal'

dickydonkin

Nobjocki wrote: »

Much as I would be delighted for Ryanair to take over Aer Lingus Ryanair remains FR.

Well they will be one of the same soon!

What, still no evidence ?
You're beginning to resemble the Inpsector Closeau of airline safety

Oh - and it is 'Clouseau' not 'Closeau' - old fruit!

pip pip!

And here is a little bit of evidence.

Ryanair Safety: Incidents and Near-Misses


"Ryanair has frequently been in the news for near-misses and minor incidents on its flights, more so than other airlines. Here are just a few examples of Ryanair incidents that have made the news in recent years":

• Ryanair jets collide at Girona airport
• Ryanair emergency landing puts 16 in hospital
• Ryanair Plane Skids Off Runway In Poland
• Ryanair Jet Skids Off Runway in Limoges
• Ryanair passenger jet slides off runway
• Near miss at Dublin airport
• Ryanair passengers stranded after pilot dings plane
• Accusations fly after Ryanair jet is hit by sudden loss of cabin pressure
• Ryanair aircraft slides off runway at Prestwick airport
• Ryanair aborted landings

Ryanair Safety: Fuel Loads

Ryanair has been accused of compromising safety by restricting pilots' right to carry emergency fuel. Read more here: Ryanair Restricts Pilots' Right to Emergency Fuel

Link

Ask yourself why your flights are so cheap and because they are registered in Ireland, I understand that there is a different incident reporting system.

Ryanair Statistics (source Flyertalk)
For those of you interested in Ryanair stats here they are:

Ratio of flights on which Mandatory Occurrence Reports would be filed in the event of Ryanair being a UK registered carrier: 60%
Flights on which minor deviations were noted: 13%
Flights on which no significant deviations were noted 27%

Ratio of flights on which Mandatory Occurrence Reports would be filed in relation to BA flights (and related to BA operations): 0% (others are filed in relation to the destination airports etc but not directly related to BA flight crew, cabin crew, the aircraft or the operating procedures)

Flights on which minor deviations were noted 4% (of operating flights, however, my criticisms of the safety cards etc is well known, and has been taken up with BA. However, they are nothing like as bad as the Ryanair ones)

Ryanair seats and their associated brace position are likely to lead to a high percentage of broken necks in the event of a fast deceleration event. BA does not suffer from this.

Number of answers from the Irish CAA to emails and letters about Ryanair safety received in the office to date: Nil.

Perhaps if BA moved to the Irish register, they could cut down on their safety expenditure too?

Scary eh? Enjoy your penny flights.

Nobjocki

dpassmore wrote: »

Well they will be one of the same soon!



Oh - and it is 'Clouseau' not 'Closeau' - old fruit!

pip pip!

And here is a little bit of evidence.

Ryanair Safety: Incidents and Near-Misses


"Ryanair has frequently been in the news for near-misses and minor incidents on its flights, more so than other airlines. Here are just a few examples of Ryanair incidents that have made the news in recent years":

• Ryanair jets collide at Girona airport
• Ryanair emergency landing puts 16 in hospital
• Ryanair Plane Skids Off Runway In Poland
• Ryanair Jet Skids Off Runway in Limoges
• Ryanair passenger jet slides off runway
• Near miss at Dublin airport
• Ryanair passengers stranded after pilot dings plane
• Accusations fly after Ryanair jet is hit by sudden loss of cabin pressure
• Ryanair aircraft slides off runway at Prestwick airport
• Ryanair aborted landings

Ryanair Safety: Fuel Loads

Ryanair has been accused of compromising safety by restricting pilots' right to carry emergency fuel. Read more here: Ryanair Restricts Pilots' Right to Emergency Fuel

Link

Ask yourself why your flights are so cheap and because they are registered in Ireland, I understand that there is a different incident reporting system.

Ryanair Statistics (source Flyertalk)
For those of you interested in Ryanair stats here they are:

Ratio of flights on which Mandatory Occurrence Reports would be filed in the event of Ryanair being a UK registered carrier: 60%
Flights on which minor deviations were noted: 13%
Flights on which no significant deviations were noted 27%

Ratio of flights on which Mandatory Occurrence Reports would be filed in relation to BA flights (and related to BA operations): 0% (others are filed in relation to the destination airports etc but not directly related to BA flight crew, cabin crew, the aircraft or the operating procedures)

Flights on which minor deviations were noted 4% (of operating flights, however, my criticisms of the safety cards etc is well known, and has been taken up with BA. However, they are nothing like as bad as the Ryanair ones)

Ryanair seats and their associated brace position are likely to lead to a high percentage of broken necks in the event of a fast deceleration event. BA does not suffer from this.

Number of answers from the Irish CAA to emails and letters about Ryanair safety received in the office to date: Nil.

Perhaps if BA moved to the Irish register, they could cut down on their safety expenditure too?

Scary eh? Enjoy your penny flights.

... and a late result just coming in.

Aircraft crashes involving fatalities

BA 2 Ryanair 0.

dickydonkin

Nobjocki wrote: »

... and a late result just coming in.

Aircraft crashes involving fatalities

BA 2 Ryanair 0.

Not a subject to be ridiculed or joked about - a crass comment to make IMO and you are just being stupid. It might be wise to consider that you may just be on the wrong flight at the wrong time one day.

I would suggest that if any member of your family had lost their life in a plane crash maybe you would have a different attitude, although reading some of your previous posts on here where you condemn anyone who does not conform to your way of thinking, then again, I think I may be incorrect in that assertion.