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ADSL filters help & router advice please?

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  • MrsE_2
    MrsE_2 Posts: 24,162 Forumite
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    Browntoa wrote: »
    wilkos do some for £4.99

    http://www.wilkinsonplus.com/Computer-Telephone-and-TV-Leads/Maxview-Filter-Adaptor-Micro/invt/0255366?htxt=HarSdYsum2i%2BHSjVmzy%2FLFIVJlWILade1Chc4HmHBn%2BCEiiBNbXnngdaL2IMcoXz9UKJyzaKpXtc%0ASB%2BUuplEWQ%3D%3D

    forgot to say , test the faceplate with a new splitter (not the current one)

    phone line is only 2 wires so 2 for the phone part and 2 for the adsl part, there should be at least 4 wires in the extension cable

    Faceplate? Do you mean main BT socket?

    Wires? You mean its easy to change the BT socket?
  • MrsE_2
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    kwikbreaks wrote: »
    You only need the one filtered faceplate and need no additional filters so long as your extensions are hard wired. If you have plugin extensions then they can go into a doubler to the phone side although as you have two that would be messy whichever way you did it. It is a DIY job. You need a Krone tool to push the wires in - using a blade may damage the connector - a disposable tool should cost no more that £1 - Wilko or B&Q maybe or probably ADSLNation carry them if you order your faceplate from them.

    Quite apart from having unfiltered Sky boxes the ring wires in extensions act as antennas for RF noise and need to either be disconnected at the master socket or the entire extension filtered from the master socket end.

    http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm

    Whosh:o Over my head.

    In the livingroom I have a skybox, a telephone & a router, all three need plugging into the master socket.

    In bedroom one I have an extension (proper fitted one) & a sky box that must be plugged in.

    In bedroom two I can leave the socket empty as no equipment is in there any longer.

    In real SIMPLE terms what should I put re new duo sockets or filters in each of those rooms?
  • MrsE_2
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    Sorry if my replies seem short, I get booted off every 10 minutes & it takes me half hour to get back on!!!!!!!

    Typing fast before it goes down again.
  • MrsE_2
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    One thing I think might be very important, you know the 4 green lighted symbols on the router.

    The one-off one is constant.

    The one that looks like a signal & the 1, flicker slightly.

    BUT the one that is an i with a circle under, its green normally, but I've noticed it go amber before I get chucked off.
  • MrsE_2
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    kwikbreaks wrote: »
    You only need the one filtered faceplate and need no additional filters so long as your extensions are hard wired. If you have plugin extensions then they can go into a doubler to the phone side although as you have two that would be messy whichever way you did it. It is a DIY job. You need a Krone tool to push the wires in - using a blade may damage the connector - a disposable tool should cost no more that £1 - Wilko or B&Q maybe or probably ADSLNation carry them if you order your faceplate from them.

    Quite apart from having unfiltered Sky boxes the ring wires in extensions act as antennas for RF noise and need to either be disconnected at the master socket or the entire extension filtered from the master socket end.

    http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/socket.htm

    Reading that again (sorry trying to go so fast here before I get chucked off), if I get that, all I need is that.
  • duchy
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    edited 12 September 2010 at 10:47AM
    If you're getting drops

    1 Put microfilters on all phonesockets in use and replace the one on the main socket-they can stop working properly after a while

    2 If drops continue do the following
    At your master socket (usually original socket so in most cases the downstairs one (although for some reason in certain areas in the midlands it's more usually an upstairs one) check the type of phone socket you have on the wall. If it's the newer style which has a horizontal line going across it -unscrew the two silver screws and lift off the lower half of the front plate. Underneath you will find a second telephone socket-plug the microfilter for the router in there instead. If the drops stop you need to replace that socket (basically using that second socket -called the test socket-bypasses the wiring in the socket so if the problem stops then the wiring is the culprit)

    Have you asked aol to test the line -drops can be caused by errors on the line too. That amber light is important and narrows it down to either a set up issue (filters or socket) or less likely but possible error on the line . I troubleshoot this kind of stuff daily (not for aol) I wouldn't even consider replacing a socket until you've tried the test socket -and yes the amber light IS the indication that all is not well.
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  • MrsE_2
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    AND the router was dropped on a hard floor & my DH reckons its not been as good since.
  • MrsE_2
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    duchy wrote: »
    If you're getting drops

    1 Put microfilters on all phonesockets in use and replace the one on the main socket-they can stop working properly after a while

    WILL DO

    2 If drops continue do the following
    At your master socket (usually original socket so in most cases the downstairs one (although for some reason in certain areas in the midlands it's more usually an upstairs one) check the type of phone socket you have on the wall. If it's the newer style which has a horizontal line going across it -unscrew the two silver screws and lift off the lower half of the front plate. Underneath you will find a second telephone socket-plug the microfilter for the router in there instead. If the drops stop you need to replace that socket (basically using that second socket -called the test socket-bypasses the wiring in the socket so if the problem stops then the wiring is the culprit)

    Have you asked aol to test the line -drops can be caused by errors on the line too. That amber light is important and narrows it down to either a set up issue (filters or socket) or less likely but possible error on the line . I troubleshoot this kind of stuff daily (not for aol) I wouldn't even consider replacing a socket until you've tried the test socket -and yes the amber light IS the indication that all is not well.

    I've got it plugged in now to the test socket & nothing else in the house is plugged in (phone & sky are all out).

    Is the amber light likely to mean the filters or the router?
    If its in the test socket & it doesn't do it, what does that mean I need to do?
  • If it is plugged directly into the test socket inside the master and still isn't stable then you either have a duff filter (assuming that's what you are using to match the router connector to the phone socket) or a duff router, or a problem with the line.

    See if you can get the stats...
    http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.php
    then post them here.
  • MrsE_2
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    kwikbreaks wrote: »
    If it is plugged directly into the test socket inside the master and still isn't stable then you either have a duff filter (assuming that's what you are using to match the router connector to the phone socket) or a duff router, or a problem with the line.

    See if you can get the stats...
    http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/frogstats.php
    then post them here.

    System Up Time 01:21:15PortStatusTxPktsRxPktsCollisionsTx B/sRx B/sUp TimeWANPPPoE337825889107261590901:20:54LAN100M/Full6191939416016066129101:21:13WLAN11M/54M442000437001:21:05
    ADSL LinkDownstreamUpstreamConnection Speed7808 kbps448 kbpsLine Attenuation17 db7 dbNoise Margin14 db28 db
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