£70 Parking Fine in non P&D Car Park

peter_the_piper

""Im all for reading some succesful cases in court where the driver GOT OFF, but as nobody seems to think its a good idea to "post" such cases, I am left with the evidence I have seen on this thread. ""

Its not that it "not a good idea"" its just that as I said, they do NOT pursue any case where the defendant has the slightest idea of how to defend themselves. PPC's have not lost cases because they will not risk losing and so frighten off potential clients.

bluelagoon_3

peter_the_piper wrote: »

""Im all for reading some succesful cases in court where the driver GOT OFF, but as nobody seems to think its a good idea to "post" such cases, I am left with the evidence I have seen on this thread. ""

Its not that it "not a good idea"" its just that as I said, they do NOT pursue any case where the defendant has the slightest idea of how to defend themselves. PPC's have not lost cases because they will not risk losing and so frighten off potential clients.

I'd love to see some proof of a PPC backing off. Where is the evidence?

Rex_Mundi

Could I please ask everyone to remember this forums etiquette when typing out your responses to each other on this thread................

Please be nice to all MoneySavers. There's no such thing as a stupid question, and even if you disagree courtesy helps.

bluelagoon_3

1. peter_the_piper wrote: »

   Parking fines eg those by the councils or police are indeed enforceable however the invoices issued by PPC's are not. The only reason its not possible to prove a win against them is because they always do a runner before the court case when there's the merest chance of losing. There's many a person over on Pepipoo who would love these PPC's to actually take them to court but noone has. Maybe we could get Blue Lagoon to take them up on their offer. I won't hold my breath though.

OK, at the risk of going over old ground here, please explain - in simple terms - why a parking charge issued by a PPC is not enforceable?

I'm more than willing to hear a strong argument - but my experience (ie. real life, not theories in an internet forum) proves to me that they are enforceable.

It would be nice to see some reasoned logic rather than the pointless and bizarre insults aimed at me for expressing a view that some people here don't like.

peter_the_piper

Anyone who's interested in finding these, please go to the pepipoo web site http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=SF&s=&f=30 and there are hundreds, if not more, of posts which show just this.
All the reasoned logic needed is there, even the case where a PPC is believed to be being sued by his own customer for clamping the customers own cars.

Optimist

frank_potter wrote: »

Maybe marleyboy should check his spelling!!!

http://www.online-dictionary.biz/english/vocabulary/reference/wether.asp

Perhaps he knows more about castrated male sheep than he does about parking laws!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

How pedantic!

Whatever relevance does that have to this thread, other than to try and belittle a poster who has given valuable and interesting input

superscaper

Optimist wrote: »

How pedantic!

Whatever relevance does that have to this thread, other than to try and belittle a poster who has given valuable and interesting input

It would be nice if for once people disagreed with reasoned argument rather than resorting to childish retorts. I think some posters would do well to read the forum etiquette section again.

mpython

Firstly I'd like to thank everyone for contributing to this thread which has proved highly enjoyable - even everythingblogcast for his surreal philosophical contributions.

marleyboy wrote: »

........All these vain questions are completely irrelevant to the question posed as to wether or not a parking fine is enforceable. Which Bluelagoon has succesfully pointed out that "it is". So far NOBODY else has succesfully pointed out that "it isnt", I therefore assume that it is enforcable.

Whether I like the idea or not is as irrelevant as the question you have posted. which bears absolutley NO connection to the leading question.

I have to agree with Marleyboy, based on the arguements and evidence put forward in this thread, IMO, Bluelagoon has put forward the most believeable case. It may be not what I or others want to hear but having being asked for evidence to support his claims, transcripts of judgements and court orders have been produced.

bluelagoon wrote: »

I would be pleased to ask CPS any questions that you want. Feel free to post and I will respond.

Thanks for the offer bluelagoon. I wonder if you could ask CPS for the following:-

How many Parking charges it issued in a year (say the calender year 2006),

of these how many were paid within 14 days (lower charge),

of these how many were paid outside of 14 days (higher charge),

How many were non-enforceable and for what reasons (FAQ on CPS website says this does happen),

How many people were court proceedings issued against,

How many court proceedings were followed through and judgement won by CPS.

The above data should demonstrate whether CPS are 100% successful in enforcing all charges, or 100% successful in enforcing charges where they decide to.

& finally, could CPS give us, say, 10 postcodes across the country where they have issued a high number of parking charges. That way, if any MSE (or Pepidoo) user wants to demonstrate their belief that these charges are not enforcable if properly defended they could actually park on these sites in order to get a ticket and then report back what happens (e.g. taken to court or dropped, & if so why).

peter_the_piper

It will be interesting to see what answers to the above you get. At least Blue lagoon does call them parking charges rather than the usual term of ""Fines""

superscaper

peter_the_piper wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what answers to the above you get. At least Blue lagoon does call them parking charges rather than the usual term of ""Fines""

Although "fine" is used colloquially to mean financial punishment whether that's dished out by a court or private institution. I can think of a few places where they call them "fines" for some rule infraction. But the use of "fines" is misleading as it does infer council/government supported but I don't think it's restricted to just that definition. But even if it is it's certainly in common use far more widespread than just parking related.