Yaris vs Clio

arrowsmith

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

read again, FROM NEW, Honda cannot sort it.
You seem to thing it is an economy measure, totally wrong.

Actually it is an economy measure, at low revs the engine will give great economy and higher up the rev range when the profile changes it'll be for performance. It allows an engine to be powerful when required yet fuel efficient under normal driving. However if you use high revs all the time your mpg will really suffer.

Without being able to change the profiles, the engine will be designed to provide both economy and performance throughout the rev range, which compromises. The Japanese have been well ahead in engine technology for many years (BMW have been in diesels), some of the smaller petrols actually out-do the diesels for MPG, such as the one fitted to the C1/107, in testing by The Times the petrol came out better. Toyota/Daihatsu were leaders for a while, now in small engines it seems to be Suzuki leading.

LandyAndy

roddydogs wrote: »

Thanks, Im getting one to day.!

You'll love it;).

benham3160

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

read again, FROM NEW, Honda cannot sort it.

I have no knowledge of the ZFztoc engine, other than in the 4x4 it is slower, revs twice as high, and uses 2 x the petrol than my car does, hence the comment, Even the guy that "owns"it is suprised


List all my comments not your selected bits, plus your prioities may not be wrong, but are muddled :A


Edited to add;

After 1/2 a lifetime in motorsport I am fully aware of variable valve technology, or what ever Honda or anyone else wants to call it.;

You seem to thing it is an economy measure, totally wrong.

It was designed to give a standard engine a performance enhancement over the original engine without destroying the origial engines economy under normal driving conditions.

Again and very unfortunately for Honda they neither had an economical engine to start of with, or a performance engine to end up with in the CRV

1/2 a lifetime in motorsport (who do you work for?, what do you do?) and you drive a Renault? Which Renault do you drive? What's his MPG and your MPG?

VTEC increases volumetric efficency, thus fuel economy. It's a simple postulate. With respect, if you do take ownership of a heavy, petrol car with a relatively small engine, what do you expect?

All I can see if you denoucing Honda because you have a Renault that has a squeaky clutch pedal, and you have a Renault that doesn't. My old Primera doesn't have a squeaky clutch pedal either, is at as good as a modern Honda.... No, in one word.

Get a Fiesta, and the clutch pedal will just "fall off" :rotfl:

If you're such a motorspot genius, why don't you rectify his squeaky pedal? Surely a basic road-car set up should be easy for you to sort?

Regards,
Andy

bigjl

My wife has a 2006/56 Clio 1.5dci, averages about 56mpg, don't go for the 65bhp one as it is gutless, yes the wife has a 65bhp one.

Electric steering takes some getting used to, a lot better built than Renaults of old, seats are comfy, handles well, I would think the more powerful ones would be a much nicer drive, the wifes struggles a bit a motorway speeds, but I am used to a 130bhp Mondeo Tdci.

The Yaris is a nice car, but I would always go for a diesel if doing more miles than the average super mini driver.

The wife has had hers for a year and 20k, no problems so far, except she had an accident three days after buying it, needed a few thousand worth of repairs, but she was uninjured.

All Renaults these days are very safe and score well in NCAP tests.

cyclonebri1

benham3160 wrote: »

1/2 a lifetime in motorsport (who do you work for?, what do you do?) and you drive a Renault? Which Renault do you drive? What's his MPG and your MPG?

VTEC increases volumetric efficency, thus fuel economy. It's a simple postulate. With respect, if you do take ownership of a heavy, petrol car with a relatively small engine, what do you expect?

All I can see if you denoucing Honda because you have a Renault that has a squeaky clutch pedal, and you have a Renault that doesn't. My old Primera doesn't have a squeaky clutch pedal either, is at as good as a modern Honda.... No, in one word.

Get a Fiesta, and the clutch pedal will just "fall off" :rotfl:

If you're such a motorspot genius, why don't you rectify his squeaky pedal? Surely a basic road-car set up should be easy for you to sort?

Regards,
Andy

Maybe if you hadn't started of the post I quoted so sarcasticly I wouldn't have reacted in quite the same way.

However when a good friend with a company Honda CRV that he's had for 7 years, and can't get shut of untill it hits 100K, tells me he'd swap his car for mine tommorrow, as it's quieter, twice as economical and more comfortable I take it as a fair comparison.

And mines a good sized estate with a piggly diesel engine.

Your posts would be relatively entertaining is you could drop the sarcasm, maybe it just needed pointing out to you?

And as you're so interested I'm a retired ex Chief Engineer, I could tell you who I worked for but then I'd have to kill you.