Chester Zoo now charge for carers

lolly1981

sh1305 wrote: »

The 4 year old pays the child admission price - a disabled adult doesn't.

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no but a disabled person does get a concession which is cheaper than an adult price..regardless to whether they have a carer with them or not.


london zoo do free carer, we took our son recently, he is disabled he paid a concessionry price (which is more expensive than the childs price, hes only 6) but in effect it meant that his carer got in for 2.30p, if an adult where to take a carer..the adult would pay concessionry (cheaper than adult price) then the carer would get in free. IYSWIM

i dont agree or disagree with, carers get in free or cheaper, it is what it is.

chester zoo have had to do what they had to do, these places i can imagine arent cheap to run and if they need to charge a carer a (cheaper) price then thats what they have to do.

to be fair there are some families who cant afford to go to the zoo regardless to if they have a disabled family member or not, some work full time but still dont have enough to have this treat. yes zoos and theme parks etc are expensive, yes a free carers ticket might help some peopel who cant go but in all fairness (and yes this will sound harsh) it isnt the end of the world if you cant go, there are plenty of cheper and free places to visit. it is nice to see exotic animals but it wont kill you if you dont.

my point is, yes they can be helpful to have free carers prices but even a concession is a good deal!

devildog

sh1305 I agree that a person should not be penalised for being disabled and tbh I thought that was diability/mobility allowance was all about (and that those payments would cover care needs for days out etc)
I also totally agree that all disabled people do not get DLA and have extra costs to find and also that because they do not get disability no concessions are made for them either, regardless of how any illness/disability may affect them. DS has IBD(NOT IBS), gets no dla, no cheaper admittance to attractions and as for things that need long waits(rides etc) no consideration is given to the fact that he gets fatigued easily or may have to go off to loo and then join back of queue again.
I think that any concession should be greatfully received and if there isn't one you either choose to pay in full or go elsewhere.

Indie_Kid

lolly1981 wrote: »

to be fair there are some families who cant afford to go to the zoo regardless to if they have a disabled family member or not, some work full time but still dont have enough to have this treat.

But they get tax credits and not all disabled people and carers can afford to work full-time. If I did one day at 8 hours, I would not be able to do anything the next day.

LittleTinker

bigturnip wrote: »

I think going back to school and getting an English GCSE would be a good idea, no 'you' doesn't have to refer to you in particular. In this instance it can also refer to the non disabled person who was being talked about in the third person. I have no idea whether the original comment was directed specifically at you, it's just a wild assumption to make when it quite easily may not have been.

Waffle....it was directed at me.
If you bothered to look back, you would see that.

Barneysmom

Why are there so many people against diasabled people/DLA and carers?
It beggars belief that someone who is able bodied can be so begrudging towards somebody who might not have legs.

£15. How can someone begrudge somebody getting fifteen quid's worth of admission to a zoo........

What if that disabled person has just come back from war with their limbs blown off.

Or a child with CF.

Or dying of a brain tumour.

These people are disabled, why shouldn't they have a carer, and a carer who's admission fee is waved?

LittleTinker

bigturnip wrote: »

Do some carers or disabled people?




Not really, both are doing a job assisting somebody with a disability.




I don't really know why income or DLA was brought into this debate, it's not relevant. Having children is a choice, having a disability isn't, if you choose to have a child then you have to take responsibility for it.

One is a person...the other is a dog. A dog, by its very nature, isnt about to 'enjoy' a day at the Zoo in the same way as an adult will.

I am well aware that people with disabilities dont chose them.....I am also aware that a large percentage of disabled people do not need someone with them all the time and of the ones who do, 90% of them would not go to the zoo all by themselves even if they were able bodied anyway.

So all this talk of "I cant go to the Zoo by myself as I dont have a choice so I shouldnt have to pay" is nonsense.
The carer is no doubt an adult, is already getting a consession and doesnt walk around the Zoo refusing to look at anything either. They still have a day out, regardless of whether they are looking after someone or not.

Someone else brough income into it earlier in the thread......I replied to those points.

Indie_Kid

LittleTinker wrote: »

I am well aware that people with disabilities dont chose them.....I am also aware that a large percentage of disabled people do not need someone with them all the time and of the ones who do, 90% of them would not go to the zoo all by themselves even if they were able bodied anyway.

Some disabled people might go to the zoo by themselves if they weren't disabled. How do you know that a large number of disabled people don't need someone with them all the time? For some disabled, it may only be things like reading maps (London Zoo gives out maps which tell you where animals are) - but they still need someone with them.

bigturnip

lolly1981 wrote: »

no but a disabled person does get a concession which is cheaper than an adult price..regardless to whether they have a carer with them or not.


london zoo do free carer, we took our son recently, he is disabled he paid a concessionry price (which is more expensive than the childs price, hes only 6) but in effect it meant that his carer got in for 2.30p, if an adult where to take a carer..the adult would pay concessionry (cheaper than adult price) then the carer would get in free. IYSWIM

i dont agree or disagree with, carers get in free or cheaper, it is what it is.

chester zoo have had to do what they had to do, these places i can imagine arent cheap to run and if they need to charge a carer a (cheaper) price then thats what they have to do.

to be fair there are some families who cant afford to go to the zoo regardless to if they have a disabled family member or not, some work full time but still dont have enough to have this treat. yes zoos and theme parks etc are expensive, yes a free carers ticket might help some peopel who cant go but in all fairness (and yes this will sound harsh) it isnt the end of the world if you cant go, there are plenty of cheper and free places to visit. it is nice to see exotic animals but it wont kill you if you dont.

my point is, yes they can be helpful to have free carers prices but even a concession is a good deal!

The money is not the point, but if it was, if you have children and can't afford to go, then tough, it was your decision to have children, if you made the choice to have a child in the knowledge that you weren't financially stable enough to afford trips out then you made that choice and can't expect to be treated differently. If you have a disability, through no fault of your own, then you shouldn't be penalised for having that disability.

However, as I said that is not the point, the point is an able bodied person who wants to go to the zoo can, a disabled person can still go, but on different terms to the able bodied person, that is discrimination.

While I could sit here all day and point out the differences between a child and a disabled person, aside from it not being the point of the thread, I don't think it would do much good as you have clearly decided that having children is akin to having a disability.

bigturnip

LittleTinker wrote: »

One is a person...the other is a dog. A dog, by its very nature, isnt about to 'enjoy' a day at the Zoo in the same way as an adult will.

I am well aware that people with disabilities dont chose them.....I am also aware that a large percentage of disabled people do not need someone with them all the time and of the ones who do, 90% of them would not go to the zoo all by themselves even if they were able bodied anyway.

So all this talk of "I cant go to the Zoo by myself as I dont have a choice so I shouldnt have to pay" is nonsense.
The carer is no doubt an adult, is already getting a consession and doesnt walk around the Zoo refusing to look at anything either. They still have a day out, regardless of whether they are looking after someone or not.

Someone else brough income into it earlier in the thread......I replied to those points.

And you accused somebody else earlier of being judgemental? Yet you are making wild judgements and even making up facts about the percentage of disabled people who wouldn't go to the zoo on their own. Pots and kettles come to mind.

LittleTinker

Barneysmom wrote: »

Why are there so many people against diasabled people/DLA and carers?
It beggars belief that someone who is able bodied can be so begrudging towards somebody who might not have legs.

£15. How can someone begrudge somebody getting fifteen quid's worth of admission to a zoo........

What if that disabled person has just come back from war with their limbs blown off.

Or a child with CF.

Or dying of a brain tumour.

These people are disabled, why shouldn't they have a carer, and a carer who's admission fee is waved?

Not everyone who disagrees is able bodied....why do you assume that they are?

If I had a child of 8 and he wanted to go to the Zoo, it might cost me £20 for me and £15 for the child. Alls well. My child has a day looking at the animals and I get to see them and my child have a nice day.

If I had a child who was disabled and he wanted to go to the zoo, it might cost £15 for him and £15 for me as his carer.......£5 cheaper.

What difference would it make if I were taking my child to the Zoo for a day out anyway?

My Mum is wheelchair bound......she would not ever go to somewhere like the Zoo alone even if she could.....so why should the person who Mum wants to go for a day out with get in for free if they are going to enjoy the day out with her anyway?

Chester Zoo and many places like it will abolish these concessions because (as it always happens) too many people abuse the system.
The No Waiting in Lines is being abused, Blue Badges are being abused and the whole system is being abused (look what Cameron is doing now)......its not surprising that the reins are now being pulled in......and the ones who suffer are the ones who really DO need the service the most.

In this case, theme park consessions, should be hourly paid carers and that is it.