No respect for learner drivers!

BargainGalore

Glad I aint the only one who experienced bad drivers in BMW's/audi's

I am sure not all are but I found many to drive as if a bees is up there backside

FATBALLZ wrote: »

I've had my license for 6 years now but I remember being a learner so I never tailgate them and give them the same respect I give to other non-audi/bmw drivers on the road. It really annoys me when people cut learners up and give them no respect, if you cut them up and they're on a test you could cause them to fail.

I remember when I passed my test, my instructor was driving me home and some bmw driver was tailgating him on a 40 road and then started pulling out to overtake, and my instructor put his foot down and zoomed up to 65 leaving the guy miles behind! Would have like to have seen his face!

Lum

Jakg wrote: »

Most drivers assume L-Plates = Slow rubbish driver ahead.

Also truw of Nissan Micras, Vauxhall Corsas etc. especially if they have a Jesus fish stuck on the back and/or are being driven by an elderly person and/or someone wearing a hat. It's not always accurate but it's accurate enough that many drivers will just make the assumption anyway.

BargainGalore wrote: »

Glad I aint the only one who experienced bad drivers in BMW's/audi's

I am sure not all are but I found many to drive as if a bees is up there backside

While I'm no fan of such people it is worth bearing in mind that these people tend to spend the majority of their working day on the road. I am reluctant to use the term "professional driver" to describe them because while it is strictly accurate (they are being paid to drive) the comonly understood meaning (they are of a higher standard than amateurs) is false as these people are subject to just the same test and you and I.

However it is worth remembering that when you are spending 8 hours a day on the road, every slow person that you encounter may knock 10 minutes off your time. Encounter, say, 3 slow people on the run down the single carriageway to get on the M6 and it could make the difference between driving past Birmingham at 1:30 pm (reasonably clear) and driving past Birmingham at 2:30 pm (expect at least an hours delay), so that adds a total of 90 minutes to their working day. That's 90 minutes less time with their family at the end of the day. Most aren't paid overtime either.

Once you come to appreciate the knock-on effect, which is hard unless you've actually done this line of work, you can understand why they don't want to risk getting stuck behind ANY potentially slow, rubbish driver.

Of course, there's ways to overtake that don't involve putting people in danger and their aggressive tailgating is never acceptable (it's also often counterproductive) and I am not trying to defend this behaviour, just explain why they do it.

theatretony

I am the same as Fatballz, I passed around 6 years ago and ALWAYS give room to learners. We were ALL learners once, so give them room for mistakes. Even experienced drivers still make mistake.

In Leeds, I think the majority of instructors are breaking the law, as I have lost count of the number of learners driving on the A64(m) which is a motorway at only 40 miles an hour. Even my instructor took me on there, and I mentioned it to him and did not seem too bothered!!!!

If you know Leeds, you will know where I mean, the tunnels going towards/away from Armley Gyratory

Lum

You are right that the (M) makes it legally a motorway and thus learners aren't allowed there.

All that name really means it that the original A64 was upgraded to motorway status, but follows the same route. You are also right that many people don't realise this, despite the fact that the signs leading up will have an exit marked "non-motorway traffic" and there will be blue (rather than green) start of motorway signs. There will also be a "new" A64 somewhere that covers roughly the same route, and this is what learners and cyclists etc. now have to use.

Perhaps Sassy-one's comment on the first page wasn't quite so silly after all?

heretolearn_2

I just try and stay as far away from learners as possible; you never know what's going to happen. I think people do forget what it was like themselves, I can remember how excruciating it feels to be holding up traffic or getting in the way while you are fiddling around with the gearbox, or stalling, or parallel parking a millimetre at a time, so I try and be patient.

But then I was a late learner, 30 when I passed, so it's not such a distant memory for me....

theatretony

Do not know of any 'New' sign as it has been there years, but here is the street view for one side of the location, clearly marked 'Non Motorway traffic'

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=leeds&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=18.546045,39.506836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Leeds,+West+Yorkshire,+United+Kingdom&ll=53.796551,-1.562119&spn=0.002041,0.009645&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=53.796394,-1.562325&panoid=-Oag31A_qcyx5wfqZbnWAQ&cbp=11,39.46,,0,0.19

Although it is called the A58(m) on this section... changes to A64 later on.....

cyclonebri1

Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa.

Yet again another sensible post has been highjacked/sidetracked and skytracked by Sassy.:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Troll or total imbecilic, moronic bunny frying plank; Can we agree on a common defence to it's slurge, that is destroying the credibility of the genuine posters on/of this forum.

A common reply given the B*****X button does not exist, is needed.

However, What another load of Bu* bol*oxsh*t


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BargainGalore

I have done 27-28 odd years driving in 2 jobs using commercial vans and I never thought of driving like a idiot up ones backside or need to overtake recklessly as some drivers do. I also never got overtime either if I was late

I rather end up 30 mins late than endanger my life or others just because you get stuck behind a driver who wants to drive slow, yes it can be annoying being stuck on a B road when driver is at 40mph and yes I over take when safe to do so

Not all slow drivers are rubbish drivers obviously that depends on your viewpoint and is open to interpretation, but equally one can argue that driver who endangers themselves and others by driving too close, or overtaking when its not safe to do so is also a menace

Dont got me wrong I am not a slow driver either but I dont take unnecessary risks and I have been driving since 1981-82


Back to topic

I do try to give new drivers some slack

Lum wrote: »

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While I'm no fan of such people it is worth bearing in mind that these people tend to spend the majority of their working day on the road. I am reluctant to use the term "professional driver" to describe them because while it is strictly accurate (they are being paid to drive) the comonly understood meaning (they are of a higher standard than amateurs) is false as these people are subject to just the same test and you and I.

However it is worth remembering that when you are spending 8 hours a day on the road, every slow person that you encounter may knock 10 minutes off your time. Encounter, say, 3 slow people on the run down the single carriageway to get on the M6 and it could make the difference between driving past Birmingham at 1:30 pm (reasonably clear) and driving past Birmingham at 2:30 pm (expect at least an hours delay), so that adds a total of 90 minutes to their working day. That's 90 minutes less time with their family at the end of the day. Most aren't paid overtime either.

Once you come to appreciate the knock-on effect, which is hard unless you've actually done this line of work, you can understand why they don't want to risk getting stuck behind ANY potentially slow, rubbish driver.

Of course, there's ways to overtake that don't involve putting people in danger and their aggressive tailgating is never acceptable (it's also often counterproductive) and I am not trying to defend this behaviour, just explain why they do it.

Lum

theatretony wrote: »

Do not know of any 'New' sign as it has been there years, but here is the street view for one side of the location, clearly marked 'Non Motorway traffic'

It's "new" in that that road was once a normal A-road, not a purpose built motorway.

They can slap on a few extra lanes an apply motorway restrictions but when they do this they are required to build or designate a "new" route for the restricted traffic. Often this is just cobbled together from a bunch of local roads.

So if after the upgrade they were to, say, rename it to the M6478 and call the new route the A64. Everyone who had been told to follow the A64 would now take the old possibly unsuitable route, so they just slap a (M) on the end so people realise it's still the old A64 route.

cutandshut

I was driving in North london this morning and was cut up by a London bus. Once it was in front of me I saw the sign, on the back, 'leaner driver under instruction' I was unperturbed by the manoeuvre but I was amused to wonder whether it was part of his training.