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Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unlike Manchester United..... Arsenal are financially healthy despite the debt.

2009 - Operating profits (before depreciation and player trading) in the football business were £62.7 million (2008 - £59.6 million).

The thing is, if you're paying millions for players on 3-5 year contracts then player depreciation is huge!

For example, Koscielny signed a 4 year contract and Arsenal paid a transfer fee of £8,500,000. His value on the balance sheet will decline at a rate of £2,125,000 per year.

The fact is that Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd all rely on Champions League football in order to prosper. Take it off them for a couple of seasons and I fear for their solvency. Chelsea of course are a special case as their owner appears prepared to cover any losses incurred by Chelsea.

If you could afford a wage bill of £100,000,000 on Premier League income, the likes of Tottenham, Aston Villa and Newcastle would be doing so and as a result would be able to compete regularly with those that can afford those salaries.

If one of the big 4 is kicked out of regular CL football then they will be in financial trouble before too long.

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

Man Utd away tickets are like gold dust

Not so far for supporters to travel to watch them......

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

The thing is, if you're paying millions for players on 3-5 year contracts then player depreciation is huge!

For example, Koscielny signed a 4 year contract and Arsenal paid a transfer fee of £8,500,000. His value on the balance sheet will decline at a rate of £2,125,000 per year.

The fact is that Arsenal, Liverpool and Man Utd all rely on Champions League football in order to prosper. Take it off them for a couple of seasons and I fear for their solvency. Chelsea of course are a special case as their owner appears prepared to cover any losses incurred by Chelsea.

If you could afford a wage bill of £100,000,000 on Premier League income, the likes of Tottenham, Aston Villa and Newcastle would be doing so and as a result would be able to compete regularly with those that can afford those salaries.

If one of the big 4 is kicked out of regular CL football then they will be in financial trouble before too long.

Don't disagree. Though Arsenal are as much a property company as a football club. Also the Emirates is a major conference centre. So does generate non match day income.

The days of big player money transfers are over except for clubs like Man City. Look at this years free transfers i.e. Cole, James, Ballack, Gallas. Clubs are offloading their wage bill.

Loan transfers. Bellamy is getting £20k a week at Cardiff. Man City are paying the other £60k or so of his wage.

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not so far for supporters to travel to watch them......

I think those fans will happily take up the seats not bought by the home supporters, which will be plenty enough

Thrugelmir

StevieJ wrote: »

I think those fans will happily take up the seats not bought by the home supporters, which will be plenty enough

Heard that tickets for the Newcastle home game weren't oversubscribed. Available right up to the day of the game. So no ones immune in the current climate.

StevieJ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Heard that tickets for the Newcastle home game weren't oversubscribed. Available right up to the day of the game. So no ones immune in the current climate.

True, single tickets are available for almost every game, then again the ground does hold 76,000

iB1

There's always been a separation between the haves and the have nots in the Premiership. But I'm just wondering if this year is the year that a chasm really starts to open up. Chelsea have scored 12 in two games. Arsenal destroyed Blackpool, Wigan have been destroyed twice already (and once by Blackpool!)

I'm concerned that we could have a situation where the top 4/5 teams disappear well into the distance before Christmas

lemonjelly

iB1 wrote: »

There's always been a separation between the haves and the have nots in the Premiership. But I'm just wondering if this year is the year that a chasm really starts to open up. Chelsea have scored 12 in two games. Arsenal destroyed Blackpool, Wigan have been destroyed twice already (and once by Blackpool!)

I'm concerned that we could have a situation where the top 4/5 teams disappear well into the distance before Christmas

Not so sure. Newcastle scored 6 past Villa - a promoted team doing well against, what many would assume to be a team vying for europe.

I actually think in the longer term we could see a situation where there is a distinction between well run/managed clubs, and badly run ones.

To be honest, we all know there are Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs, Villa, Man City & possibly Everton chasing the top 7 places. Everyone else is vying to avoid the bottom 3.

FTBFun

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Only 14,476 turned up to watch the Wigan match today. Is TV slowly strangling the game now?

No, Wigan's fanbase sucks. They got about 5000 for an FA cup game against Hull last season.

Part of being a football team in Rugby League land and being close to Manchester, I suppose. They'll be getting relegated this season anyway it appears.

The_Fat_el_Hombre

Really2 wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/tickets/season-tickets


Hear is a thread on it. dated last year.
http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/showthread.php?t=131328



Just going on what people are saying about how long they have been opn the list.

Yea I had a quick look at their website and saw that actually, fair play to them. Obviously the 45k isn't big enough for Englands most successful club, but I did notice there were plenty empty seats knocking about in their stands near the end of last season