MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

lucylucky

liam8282 wrote: »

How do cars get clamped again?

Oh they go onto private land and park without permission, thats it. :eek:

And they wont get clamped any more once clamping is outlawed.

Perhaps someone could think of ways that would stop people getting on this land?

Anyone?

bartman1

liam8282 wrote: »

How do cars get clamped again?

Oh they go onto private land and park without permission, thats it. :eek:

Thats one way. Others include parking slightly over some white line. Forgetting to put a permit in the window when parking in their own space. Getting blocked in when turning around. Stoping to deliver a parcel.

Clampers are scum, every single one of them.

I agree that you shouldn't abuse other peoples land but my mum taught me at a very young age a simple mathamatical caculation......

Two wrongs do not make a right.

ripped_off_driver

Clamping is and always was a solution in search of a problem. You have a vehicle which is not allowed to park supposedly causing a "problem". So let's make sure the trespass cannot be cured by clamping it in place. Reason - in most cases there was never a parking management problem in the first place. Just a convenient fig leaf for the dregs of society to rip off their neighbours.

For years people had to contend with a rash of thicko parasites popping up to menace them out of their hard earned. Aided and abetted by the landowners and police. Clampers and landowners will now have to contend with the new reality that this particular earner has ended. Scotland did it with no problems whatsover. England and Wales will be the same.

liam8282

lucylucky wrote: »

And they wont get clamped any more once clamping is outlawed.

Perhaps someone could think of ways that would stop people getting on this land?

Anyone?

If it is open land with no purpose, do what you like, erect a 20ft high fence, build a wall......

If it is land that needs to be accessible, such as a customer / staff car park, there is very little that can be done in many circumstances.

If only there was some sort of enforceable punishment.

liam8282

bartman1 wrote: »

Thats one way. Others include parking slightly over some white line. Forgetting to put a permit in the window when parking in their own space. Getting blocked in when turning around. Stoping to deliver a parcel.

Clampers are scum, every single one of them.

I agree that you shouldn't abuse other peoples land but my mum taught me at a very young age a simple mathamatical caculation......

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Can you not see that you are only talking about cowboy clampers, which I agree with all the negative points raised towards them?

This is just getting boring now.

bartman1

liam8282 wrote: »

If only there was some sort of enforceable punishment.

How many more times do you need telling before it sinks in? If there is a loss incured then a landowner can sue for damages. That has always been the case.

bartman1

liam8282 wrote: »

Can you not see that you are only talking about cowboy clampers,

The word cowboy is entirely superfluous when associated with clampers.

liam8282

ripped_off_driver wrote: »

Clamping is and always was a solution in search of a problem.

Problem: People parking without permission.

There I have found the problem for you straight away.

You have a vehicle which is not allowed to park supposedly causing a "problem". So let's make sure the trespass cannot be cured by clamping it in place.

This stops serial offenders from doing it again, and also deters others.

Reason - in most cases there was never a parking management problem in the first place. Just a convenient fig leaf for the dregs of society to rip off their neighbours.

If somebody owns that piece of land and does not want unauthorised people on it, for whatever reason they see fit, who are you to judge?

For years people had to contend with a rash of thicko parasites popping up to menace them out of their hard earned. Aided and abetted by the landowners and police. Clampers and landowners will now have to contend with the new reality that this particular earner has ended.

You blur the lines between the cowboys and the legitimate again.

Scotland did it with no problems whatsover. England and Wales will be the same.

I like to think that England can follow it's own rules rather than follow the lead of Scotland.

Scotland is totally irrelevant in this discussion, it has the same merits as discussing the laws in America, Iraq, China.

Oopsadaisy

Anyone know when this 'ban' will come into effect??

My guess.....about 4 yrs from now.

liam8282

bartman1 wrote: »

How many more times do you need telling before it sinks in? If there is a loss incured then a landowner can sue for damages. That has always been the case.

& I asked you to explain the process involved, somebody helped you about by saying "take it to the small claims court".....

So you have say 5 nuisance people parking per day, ranging from 10 mins, to 3 hours.

You then have to get all the evidence for each person, each day.

So whats that, 5 digital photos, recording of time entered, time left, number plates.

Then these 5 cases per day then have to be adminstrated, letters sent asking for reimbursement.

Then the 5 cases per day have to go to court.

So in an average working year, you are going to have 52 x 5 x 5 = 1300 cases in the small claims court, per small business.

Brilliant solution.