MSE News: Wheel clamping to be banned on private land

Coupon-mad

Frank_n_Furter wrote: »

I propose in the interest of even handedness that people who abuse the right of private property owners by parking, and cause real cost and loss of earning, should be subject to the summary judgement and justice of the said property holder without right of legal redress regardless of the judgement or punishment inflicted, there that makes both sides even.

Propose that if you like but you'd be better off moving to a country like Albania if that's the sort of laws you would like to live under. It won't be happening here will it?

Like in any other situation, landowners will have Small Claims Court open to them if they have suffered damage or loss. They always have had that avenue of redress, and they still do.

Seeing as that was the only option open to anyone unlawfully clamped to try to get their money back, then I think it makes both sides even now.

taffy056

jezza2412 wrote: »

The Con-Dems, the government for law-breaking motorists: now they can break speed limits at will (starting in Oxfordshire), and park on any private land they like. What next? drink-driving limits to be abolished?...

But it was never illegal to park in these private car parks to begin with, it has also been banned in Scotland for 20 years, doesn't seem lawless up there to me!

In regards to speed cameras, they do not work! I believe Gwent has the highest numbers of speed cameras in the UK, but they do not have the lowest accident rate, tell me why is that? If these cameras worked they would have! Speed cameras are a cash cow for the government, if they were truly there for safety, they would be outside schools, in places where accidents are likely to happen.

A village near me called Pontlliw has 3 speed cameras, there has never been to my knowledge an accident there before they were installed, another place near junction 45 m4 has 2 speed cameras, there has never been an accident there, the m4 eastbound port talbot has a speed camera in the 50 section, west bound camera was removed because it CAUSED accidents by people slamming on their brakes when they saw it.

Having said that, the only effective cameras are the average speed cameras, you want people to slow down on a whole section of road, instead of an arbitrary point in it, those would be effective if signs were in place that they were there.

ripped_off_driver

There is a certain level of desperation in the pro-clamping posts in this thread (note how they are never clampers but landowners - why the reticence to admit what they do I wonder? Could it be shame?). They can gnash their teeth all they want and pretend it ain't so. But they are going out of business and would be better engaged working out their next source of easy money now that this cash cow is drying up. Hoping that the councils will step in and allow clampers to continue to rip people off is frankly patethic but there must be a whole heap of anger and frustration in clamper land at the moment. One minute you are menacing a granny out of her pension and enjoying her upset and next you are facing the prospect of having to get off your fat, lazy !!!! for the first time in years. It must be very disconcerting.

Coupon-mad

Yes, some of the few pro-clamping posters are on here so often that there's no way they can be a retailer/service provider running a business. They could easily be an out-of-work clamper though, dropped like a hot potato by their main stomping-grounds already due to the association with what Government Ministers have called 'highway robbery'.

Isn't it strange how none of the pro-clamping posters are clampers but they object to the word scum, seeing it as name-calling? It's only name-calling if it hits its target, the word scum has only been used against clampers (except by that irate 'business owner' who called the public scum...:p).

super-cute

I have read about this news in the paper at the start of the week.

I personally believe this is great news, although, it does offer shortfalls.


It is great the government has taken a stand to these people who go around wheel clamping verichles and charging huge amounts for release, however, there is the possibility of an increase in illegal parking on private property.

Although the latter, in my view, is less serious than the former.

liam8282

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Yes, some of the few pro-clamping posters are on here so often that there's no way they can be a retailer/service provider running a business. They could easily be an out-of-work clamper though, dropped like a hot potato by their main stomping-grounds already due to the association with what Government Ministers have called 'highway robbery'.

Isn't it strange how none of the pro-clamping posters are clampers but they object to the word scum, seeing it as name-calling? It's only name-calling if it hits its target, the word scum has only been used against clampers (except by that irate 'business owner' who called the public scum...:p).

It is also strange how some anti clamper posters start their arguments with sweeping comments such as "all clampers are scum", then finish it with there are "good and bad elements", very contradictory don't you think?

It is also strange how none of the anti clamplers have ever got parking tickets, been clamped etc. at the start of the discussion, but then just a few posts back it turns out most have been clamped..... all very muddled and confused.

Personally I do take offence to legitimate people being abused and called names such as scum, for the sole reason that somebody doesn't like them or what they do.

I don't like seafood, does that give me the right to call all fishermen scum? Nobody makes me go to a shop and buy seafood, just as nobody makes drivers park on private land without permission.

I also take offence to people calling me an idiot and saying I am wrong, they are right, just for having a differing opinion.

Failing to accept that people have differing opinions to your own is extremely bigoted, but that won't be accepted either will it?

liam8282

ripped_off_driver wrote: »

There is a certain level of desperation in the pro-clamping posts in this thread (note how they are never clampers but landowners - why the reticence to admit what they do I wonder? Could it be shame?). They can gnash their teeth all they want and pretend it ain't so. But they are going out of business and would be better engaged working out their next source of easy money now that this cash cow is drying up. Hoping that the councils will step in and allow clampers to continue to rip people off is frankly patethic but there must be a whole heap of anger and frustration in clamper land at the moment. One minute you are menacing a granny out of her pension and enjoying her upset and next you are facing the prospect of having to get off your fat, lazy !!!! for the first time in years. It must be very disconcerting.

If that post was aimed at me, I have been a member on this site since 2007, I have made many posts.

If you are that obsessed with other posters private lives and the jobs they do, you could stalk their profiles, I am sure there will be at least one post that tells the exact job they do etc.

Again, your bigotted personality takes over though, you don't accept it when somebody gives you an answer that they are not a clamper etc, because it does not fit your argument.

justcat

BTW, it's only clamping and towing that is going to be banned.

From MSE News Article:
"The equalities and criminal information minister says private firms will be banned from clamping or towing vehicles but would still be able to ticket parked cars."

So people can still put up a nice big sign saying that they will get a ticket for parking there.

This to me sounds more reasonable because clamping doesn't really solve the problem (except for deterring drivers to park there again) because the car would still be parked on the land.
If we are to say that fear of a ticket will scare people off then that would suffice?

Towing is not going to be allowed except in exceptional circumstances by the Police or council.

lucylucky

"most have been clamped." (from liam8282)

Have most people on this thread been clamped?

Where did you get that evidence?

lucylucky

justcat wrote: »

BTW, it's only clamping and towing that is going to be banned.

From MSE News Article:
"The equalities and criminal information minister says private firms will be banned from clamping or towing vehicles but would still be able to ticket parked cars."

So people can still put up a nice big sign saying that they will get a ticket for parking there.

This to me sounds more reasonable because clamping doesn't really solve the problem (except for deterring drivers to park there again) because the car would still be parked on the land.
If we are to say that fear of a ticket will scare people off then that would suffice?

Towing is not going to be allowed except in exceptional circumstances by the Police or council.

Of course the tickets need not be paid but that is a separate discussion