Daily thread, what do you think?

black-saturn

Queenie wrote:

Life is definately far too short for all this

Maybe you could have the thread closed then? It's going nowhere and TBH I don't know why it was started in the first place as nothing has been resolved and you've lost a few Daily Posters along the journey. The issues could have been dealt with by PM instead of making a lot of people feel uncomfortable.

honey28

I havent read or posted on the OS board for yonks now, spending most of my time on the lose weight thread. Having made the decision to buy a slow cooker I decided to come back to OS for a read up and came across this thread. I hope you can all sort things out, I used to love reading and occasionally posting on the daily thread. You all seemed like a close knit family, popping on several times every day to pass on what you had been doing that day and to offer words of praise and encouragement where needed. Dont let something like this ruin the cyber friendships that you had made.

black-saturn

So your saying this thread could be responsible for ruining cyber friendships?

Queenie

black-saturn wrote:

Maybe you could have the thread closed then? It's going nowhere and TBH I don't know why it was started in the first place as nothing has been resolved and you've lost a few Daily Posters along the journey. The issues could have been dealt with by PM instead of making a lot of people feel uncomfortable.

:hello: Hi black-saturn,

Do please read the whole of this thread and I'm sure you'll find the answer you seek.

Maybe, but it has given people the chance to give their points of view on what they appreciate and also find out of control on the OS daily - that's healthy in my view.

That is down to the individual making their own choices; at no point has anyone indicated or suggested that it is either necessary or a requirement in order for few simply changes to be discussed/made. If people choose to leave, sobeit, it's unfortunate but no one is forcing them to.

It's a community issue, not an individual one, PM's would not be appropriate.

No one can *make* another feel *anything* - how people choose to respond to something is just that - their choice! I can't *make* you love me bs anymore than I can *make* you fancy me

As for it not going anywhere ... that's a matter of perception.

honey28

not at all, I'm saying dont let it.

black-saturn wrote:

So your saying this thread could be responsible for ruining cyber friendships?

Penelope_Penguin

twink wrote:

oh dear i am getting tired of all this, is it possible to put it behind us, accept any changes to be made and all be friends again, its all so trivial when you think of all the heartache and suffering in the world, life is too short to waste like this, queenie you are a saint coping with it all, your boys must have known you were going to need a boost when they gave you that lovely day:D

Twink, couldn't agree more :T :T

I will now be deleting my subscription to this thread, and not look again.

Queenie, you've been very patient. Let's get back to being OS.

Penny. x

Queenie

I'm copying the message I posted at the end of yesterday's daily thread this morning, into here as it is pertinent to this discussion, and out of respect for those who took the time to express their opinions and add to the discussion on the daily threads in OS. I know those who posted on this thread, don't all read the daily threads but I felt it only fair and proper that you are aware of all aspects.

Queenie wrote:

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Hi MATH,
I was a little bit upset to read your post here, and feel that I need to respond.
I am well aware that Old Style has spiralled out of control this week, but I think your description of the board as being a mess is a bit harsh. I know that you were away for much of the summer, but had you been here, you would have known that Gingham Ribbon and I have worked very hard to keep the Old Style board running smoothly.

As you know, I received pm’s regarding the daily thread......Gingham and I were trying to resolve this behind the scenes. When I asked for Queenie’s thoughts/opinions, on the daily thread as it is now by pm, I did not know that she would open it up on the forum for debate. I am saddened by how the resulting debate has affected the board and the posters on the daily thread.

Yes I agree…..this week there have been a number of threads that perhaps should have been moved or merged, and I assure you that they will be done when we get time.

We are volunteers, and we have our own lives to live as well. Gingham has not been well lately and I have had an exceptional week in real life as I am covering for a colleague who is off work and doing her day shifts, as well as my own evening shifts. Yes, I do have a four hour window in the afternoon, but that is taken up with collecting my children, supervising their homework’s and making sure that they are fed and watered before I go out to work again. So, this week I am sorry if I haven’t given my all to the board, but I have been popping on, as and when I can.

To all who feel we are allowing the board to become a mess, please accept my apologies. Hopefully normal service will be resumed come Saturday when I begin my week off from work.

Pink
Good morning Pink

As you have publicly posted *about* me and my actions, I feel it is only fair that I respond.
Yes, you did PM me to ask my thoughts/opinions. Your initial PM was particularly vague and I asked for more clarity.

Yes, I did open it for debate, afterall, it didn't just affect myself, you or Gingham, but the whole of the community. Naturally, I would have had only 2 options: do nothing; do something.

Clearly, I wanted to support *you*, the BG, so I posted about it. I supported you in this matter of complaints in the same way that I have supported you when you were having difficulties in other matters, although admittedly I didn't do it publicly on the boards, but then those matters were with your MSE peers and not with the whole community.
You stated in your PM and also on the Daily Discussion Thread:
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Originally Posted by Pink-Winged
I tend to agree that the thread is getting very long every day, but try as I might I have been unable to think of a sensible solution. It is not for me to decide what the content of the thread should be either. That is for the MSE team to decide.

So I’ll tell you all, as I have told the members who pm’d me, I intend to contact Andrea about this tomorrow to see if we can come up with a solution that will be acceptable to all the Old Stylers who read post, and get so much out of the the daily thread

Just as volunteers have their own lives to live as well, so do we the posters. As you know I don't publicly lay my life open on the boards, mainly just my OS ways; nor do I participate in the AE games which I'm aware a number of OS posters do. Between your PM and me beginning that post, I was getting on with my real life but my thoughts were distracted by the issues you had raised and your feeling of being unable to find a solution acceptable to all. Before I received your final PM, I had posted.
I still do not think that the discussion has been quite as detrimental as some assume. I base my opinion on the PM's I've subsequently received as well as the posts within that discussion which brought into the open that there was in fact more than 3 who felt the daily thread did need tweaking.

However, all that aside, as you are BG, I had assumed that a certain level of impartiality was required but as evidenced in the Daily Thread for today I notice that you are in full support of the manner it is being conducted. *I* feel saddened that, despite people having the moral courage to come out and publicly express their dissatisfaction, in the hope that it may be given due respect, have had their views ignored and disregarded.

I say again, I posted that thread, not for my own personal desire for any changes, but in support of you and for the good of *all* the OS community and the smooth running of the daily thread. To awaken this morning and to read your comments above and to see the daily thread for today which you are fully supportive of leads me to think that I have been used as a scapegoat to address an issue which wasn't presented to me by anyone else other than yourself!

I say again, I believed a BG has to excercise certain level of impartiality, and consistency, another reason why I opened up the discussion. Thank you for correcting me by your posts and support of those who are in rebellion over the very issue of changes.

Did I make a mistake in posting it for debate? Possibly, it gave a platform for others to give their opinions, despite the flack I have taken personally. How those members feel in light of the most recent rebellion is not difficult for me to imagine.

Did I make a mistake in posting it for debate in support of yourself? Clearly! But then, in all fairness, the question begs to be asked: "Should a BG be taking these matters to a member of the forum in the first instance?"

I have no regrets. I said it before and I shall say it once again: I am able to put my personal preferences to one side on this issue and to discuss it for the benefit of the community. I haven't been discussing this for any personal reason or gain. I have tried to give a balanced, unemotional, explanation of why certain aspects are not practicable. I did not make any complaints about the daily, it's content, it's length, it's format.

I did make the mistake of (gullibly?) putting my self in a position to be questioned when the complaints were still very much unknown or evidenced, in the mistaken belief that I was being supportive of the person who came to me and asked for my opinion and advice; opinion and advice I, yet again mistakenly, believed was respected or why ask for it?

I have invested a lot of time in the issue of the daily thread.

I am deeply saddened at how emotional and personal the whole issue has become mainly because I believed we were all grown ups and that playground games and emotions were left behind at the school gate. I am more appalled that the person who turned to me has subsequently negated responsibility over the whole issues and publicly attaches any blame for any upset at my door! But, I live and learn

Ultimately, you are the BG, I am just a member, as too is MATH, ticklemouse and everyone who has expressed support in the need for a few tweaks, both old and new members. I abide by which ever format is deemed most appropriate.

Queenie

I would like to formally apologise to those who felt this thread was an opportunity to vocalise their opinions on any tweaks/niggles even if their views were contrary.

I do feel that the lack of respect afforded to those views can cause yet further upset and offense in light of recent posts and the lack of support shown for the benefit of the overall community.

I apologise for my mistaken view that it was not only safe to do so, but that it may even be beneficial.

I am sincerely, very sorry.

twink

no apology needed queenie as far as i am concerned, you did what you thought was for the best, you have a lovely family and thats whats important x

trafalgar_2

I think everyone acted with the best of intentions,it's just sad to read how it's ended.......to me anyway