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benham3160

hethmar wrote: »

Andy, Id not touch the 206 - its a death trap. There were a number of television programmes about them and from our own family experience we found that there was a fault that Peugeot were unable to fix which was most definitely dangerous. Id never encourage anyone to buy that model.

Care to elaborate?

Never heard about this, VOSA don't record anything to that effect?

Sorry didn't follow link.

If you think the Peugeot 206 is the only modern car that suffers from "random cutting out" I'd suggest you make haste to your nearest mechanic and ask them about what cars do that the most. You might get a big shock.

Regards,
Andy

hethmar

Google or look at the old Watchdog programmes. Ive given you some links above


http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/telly_addicts/48730-bbc1-now-watchdog-perguot-206-danger

benham3160

The revving/cutting out is suffered by just about every modern car.

Basically,without getting too nerdy, modern cars have a motor that controls the idle, it can get stuck, leaving to the car accelerating on it's own, or cutting out.

Unfortunately, type just about any car you care to think of (petrol) into Google, followed by ICV and see what it throws up. Ford are the worst for this, I can fix cutting out/revving issues on Fiestas several times a week.

Regards,
Andy

hethmar

diagnostics machine and that will then tell them where the fault is and how it can be fixed. Except it doesn't. EVERY SINGLE reported engine cut out problem has NEVER registered on ANY ECU. This is where the main problem lies. Peugeot are unable to recreate the problem, there is no record of it on the ECU which basically means Peugeot do not know how to solve it.



New ECU - cost between £600 and £1,000
ECU upgrade (where they upgrade the car's software)
New coil pack
New MAP sensor
New terminal connectors
New spark plugs
New sensors on the air intake
New fuel injector
New fuel injector wiring loom

The list goes on and on and on. Some of the above items fix the problem for a few days/weeks/months but eventually the problem WILL return. Remember because this fault does not show up on the ECU, it will also not show up on an MOT test which means if you're buying a second hand Peugeot 206 which has a clean MOT BE WARNED!

My Dad bought his Peugeot 1.4 LX car in 1999 (T reg) and gave it to me in 2002. I used it for about a year and I had no problems. Then the engine cut out problem began and kept happening. In the end I was told by the David Kerr dealership in Chelmsford, Essex (official Peugeot dealership) I would need a new ECU. Because the car was out of warranty, this would cost me £700. I begrudingly paid it and the problem went away. Well so I thought...

The problem conveniently returned a few days after the 1 year warranty on the ECU expired. It cut out whilst I was in the fast lane of the motorway. Luckily the road wasn't very busy and I managed to wrestle the steering wheel over to the left and get into the hard shoulder. So basically I crossed 3 lanes of traffic with no power, no steering control and no brakes plus at the same time losing speed rapidly.

I took it back to David Kerr who upgraded the ECU software. The problem went away for a couple of months and then returned. I returned to David Kerr at least 4 more times over the next 2 years and had more software upgrades, a new coil pack and other pointless repairs too numerous to mention. Each time I had to fork out between £40 and £100.



Although this problem has received lots of publicity both online, on TV and in the press, Peugeot are still being extremely complacent and are not doing ANYTHING to rectify the problem (they may well be trying to solve the problem behind the scenes but from a customer point of view it just isn't good enough).

If you own a Peugeot 206 and have experienced this problem, please sign the online petition here (this petition is located on another website and is not connected to dontbuypeugeot.com). It is the only way Peugeot will listen.

Peugeot do NOT seem to care about their customers. The way they have handled this whole situation proves this. From Head Office down to dealership level (who to be fair are only acting on what they are told by Peugeot Head Office), they really couldn't care less. Remember, the Peugeot 206 recently came 99th out of 100 in a poll of driver satisfaction carried out by AutoExpress magazine. Do not buy a Peugeot 206.

The Drive of Your Life? More like The Drive That Could End Your Life.

hethmar

I dare say all cars can cut out, but there havent been any I know where people all over the country have had near death experiences (including my own son) and where petitions and television programmes have highlighted this


"Some serious problems have been reported with the UK version of the 206, and, in rare cases, symptoms such as engine cut outs have occurred at high speeds, which have then lead to other faults, such as the steering lock being engaged while the car is in motion. A group of 206 owners based in the United Kingdom came together online and formed a community named "The Peugeot 206 Info Exchange" to discuss problems they had experienced, coming up with solutions and helping other drivers with their knowledge. Recently, some British members managed to take on Peugeot on the BBC television programme Watchdog. Peugeot has since admitted that there may be some problems throughout the range but as of yet they have not been able to fully identify them."

mcjordi

i had a xsara 1.9d and tbh never really had a problem with it.. apart from the door loom issue ( I JUST resoldered the wires together) and the handbrake adjusters being broken lol..

the head gasket went although i think that was down to me as i snapped a bolt in the thermostat housing (causing a leak) i would have another no problems

benham3160

hethmar wrote: »

diagnostics machine and that will then tell them where the fault is and how it can be fixed. Except it doesn't. EVERY SINGLE reported engine cut out problem has NEVER registered on ANY ECU. This is where the main problem lies. Peugeot are unable to recreate the problem, there is no record of it on the ECU which basically means Peugeot do not know how to solve it.

So what happens if you experience the problem? Well, if your car is still within warranty, take it down to your local official Peugeot dealership and they will carry out any repairs free of charge. However, the repairs are POINTLESS. Peugeot don't know what the problem is so just try and replace things they "think" will solve it. They will do this even when your car is out of warranty which means you will be paying for repairs YOU DO NOT NEED. So far, the following items have been repaired/replaced on people's Peugeot 206's who have experienced the problem:

New ECU - cost between £600 and £1,000
ECU upgrade (where they upgrade the car's software)
New coil pack
New MAP sensor
New terminal connectors
New spark plugs
New sensors on the air intake
New fuel injector
New fuel injector wiring loom

The list goes on and on and on. Some of the above items fix the problem for a few days/weeks/months but eventually the problem WILL return. Remember because this fault does not show up on the ECU, it will also not show up on an MOT test which means if you're buying a second hand Peugeot 206 which has a clean MOT BE WARNED!

My Dad bought his Peugeot 1.4 LX car in 1999 (T reg) and gave it to me in 2002. I used it for about a year and I had no problems. Then the engine cut out problem began and kept happening. In the end I was told by the David Kerr dealership in Chelmsford, Essex (official Peugeot dealership) I would need a new ECU. Because the car was out of warranty, this would cost me £700. I begrudingly paid it and the problem went away. Well so I thought...

The problem conveniently returned a few days after the 1 year warranty on the ECU expired. It cut out whilst I was in the fast lane of the motorway. Luckily the road wasn't very busy and I managed to wrestle the steering wheel over to the left and get into the hard shoulder. So basically I crossed 3 lanes of traffic with no power, no steering control and no brakes plus at the same time losing speed rapidly.

I took it back to David Kerr who upgraded the ECU software. The problem went away for a couple of months and then returned. I returned to David Kerr at least 4 more times over the next 2 years and had more software upgrades, a new coil pack and other pointless repairs too numerous to mention. Each time I had to fork out between £40 and £100.

In early March of this year (2006), the car cut out again and refused to re-start. I called The AA out and they said "the car has a serious electrical fault and is too dangerous to be fixed by the roadside". I was then towed to David Kerr where I left the car and refused to take it back. You can read what happened next here.

Although this problem has received lots of publicity both online, on TV and in the press, Peugeot are still being extremely complacent and are not doing ANYTHING to rectify the problem (they may well be trying to solve the problem behind the scenes but from a customer point of view it just isn't good enough).

If you own a Peugeot 206 and have experienced this problem, please sign the online petition here (this petition is located on another website and is not connected to dontbuypeugeot.com). It is the only way Peugeot will listen.

Peugeot do NOT seem to care about their customers. The way they have handled this whole situation proves this. From Head Office down to dealership level (who to be fair are only acting on what they are told by Peugeot Head Office), they really couldn't care less. Remember, the Peugeot 206 recently came 99th out of 100 in a poll of driver satisfaction carried out by AutoExpress magazine. Do not buy a Peugeot 206.

The Drive of Your Life? More like The Drive That Could End Your Life.

Electonic diagnostics (on these cars, and most others pre-2005) essentially only records emissions related faults, it's not designed to replace "proper" diagnosis, this is lazy of the dealer concerned.

Personally, I'd have taken the ICV out, given it a spray with WD-40, a wiggle, and put it back in, but I'm "not a dealer". Interestingly there is no mention of an Idle Control Valve, which would often be the first port of call when a fault like this is reported. Also on the 206 the engine earth strap can frey, which would also cause an electrical fault, again easily fixed for £5 and five minutes of time.

I'm sorry, but this petition is absolute hysteria. I urge you to talk to any mechanic, it's a case of "they all do that" unfortunately, even Japanese and German cars sometimes.

When these things start babbling on about the MOT test they really loose all credibility.

Ford are suffering a near idential problem with "EAC Fail" which is when the car "spits its dummy out" and just randomly dies, and refuses to restart, I don't see a similar petition advising people not to buy a 2002-2008 Fiesta though.

Regards,
Andy

hethmar

Andy, if you feel you would be happy for a member of your family to drive one of these, thats your choice. If a peugeot main dealer cant cure the problem with literally a thousand quids worth of different attempts and avoid tv, newspaper and internet condemnation, then I guess you should offer your distinctly superior professional work that can cure it for a fiver to Peugeot. Theyd pay you well Im sure.

benham3160

hethmar wrote: »

Andy, if you feel you would be happy for a member of your family to drive one of these, thats your choice.

I'd be more than happy, because I'm blessed with the logic and experience to know this is mass hysteria, and that lots of modern cars occasionally will suffer from "cutting out." Don't try and take me on a guilt trip because I don't believe that because a car has cut out, everybody who drives one will perish in an accident due to it.

The NCAP is good on these (higher than the same age Fiesta, Corsa, Polo) interestingly.

The steering lock, I actually laughed at this bit. The only way that can POSSIBLY engine is by taking the keys out the ignition, it's absolutely nothing to do with any electrical system.

Regards,
Andy

hethmar

And Peugeot dont know why either. You really think all these people are making it up for fun?

I shant waste my time arguing nonsense - I know what the car was like and I thank god my son didnt get killed because of it when it cut out on the motorway. I dont want anyones accident on my conscience and therefore I say to people, dont buy a 206.

I withdraw from this thread.