A Disabled Charity And A PPC

Flipper38

fb1969 wrote: »

Because being disabled does not necessarily mean you have a Blue Badge, Mobilise are in effect supporting and advocating discrimination against people with disabilities!

Not really, they just want disabled people to be treated fairly.

Being treated fairly mean you are given a fair hearing, it doesn't mean you should therefore get off with everything because you are disabled.

Regards

Flipper

trisontana

Flipper38 wrote: »

Not really, they just want disabled people to be treated fairly.

Being treated fairly mean you are given a fair hearing, it doesn't mean you should therefore get off with everything because you are disabled.

Regards

Flipper

One way of being treated fairly is not to discriminate against disabled drivers who do not have a blue badge.

And what do you mean by the phrase "fair hearing". Do you mean by the parking company? It's not an independent process, so it's in the parking company's interest to turn down all "appeals".

Flipper38

trisontana wrote: »

This is the original post ( from the Consumer Action Website) :-

I am a disabled driver, and went in to a shop (on a private car park) and forgot to display my blue badge. Wrong of me I know, but when I returned to the car some five minutes later I had a ticket.

That just proves some one wrote that, as I said before, it doesn't prove thats what actually happened.

peter_the_piper wrote: »

Flipper, can you please clarify ""As I stated in another post, there have been cases upheld so an offence must have been committed.""

trisontana wrote: »

Could you please list some cases were an "offence" has been upheld.

Sure, heres two, both found on these forums..

There's a case in the daily record - 'Glasgow driver hit with a 5 k parking 'fine'' (Those papers eh, they said 'fine' that could spread you know?)

Or the case on 'The Oldham Chronicle - Parking penalty just, judge rules' Both found from this website.

For some reason I cant post these as links, I'm sure with all the time on your hands you'll be able to find them.

Regards

Flipper

trisontana

The Glasgow case was over a driver who ignored 38 tickets. So not a representative case.

The Oldham case is very suspicious. Many people think that this was set-up by the parking company, and the guy admitted he was the driver on a parking forum.

Against those cases there are many that have gone to court and the parking company have lost. This includes Excel in Mansfield, and a company called OPC who have lost 11 cases in the last few weeks.

And do you honestly believe that the the guy who forgot his blue-badges was making it all up? Anyway he does not have to pay. For a start (here we go again) blue badges have no relevance in private car-parks and the only money that the landowner can claim is for material loss. This was a free car-park, so no loss was incurred.

lucylucky

In post #51 I pointed out a couple of things that were incorrect on their website.

Specifically the Baywatch Survey results page

It would appear someone from Mobilise has been reading this thread and has altered the wording (My bold)

Well over half of those who visited Sainsbury’s reported that there were signs up warning that people using the accessible bays without a Blue Badge would be issued with a penalty charge notice.

Which used to read

Well over half of those who visited Sainsbury’s reported that there were signs up warning that people using the accessible bays without a Blue Badge would be fined.

Nice to see that they can correct themselves, sometimes, however it would be better if they had added after pcn "which can and should be ignored".

Still got this bit wrong though

2. What is parking abuse?
Accessible parking bays (also known as disabled bays) should be for the use of Blue Badge holders only – disabled people who display the Blue Badge in their windscreen.


Just a comment on their figures too

RESULTS 2007
Percentage of disabled bays being used without a badge:
Morrisons 13%
Sainsbury’s 18%
Asda 23%
Tesco 23%
Average 19.25%
The figures showed that, on average, more than 1 in five bays surveyed were occupied by people too lazy or selfish to park elsewhere.


The figures showed nothing of the sort.All they show is that there were people parked in "disabled" bays without a blue badge. You can extrapolate no information as to anything to do with disability from the above figures.

Flipper38

trisontana wrote: »

One way of being treated fairly is not to discriminate against disabled drivers who do not have a blue badge.

Blue badge Holders are people who generally have reduced mobility. Why wouldn't you have a blue badge if thats the case. If people choose not to have a blue badge when eligible then thats their choice. They are making a statement that says to me they don't want to be singled out as having a disability. Unfortunately that means they can't use the disabled bays. I have no problem with people who need blue badges, its the ones who have fake ones, or, claim to be disabled when they are clearly able-bodied that I have a problem with.

trisontana wrote: »

And what do you mean by the phrase "fair hearing". Do you mean by the parking company? It's not an independent process, so it's in the parking company's interest to turn down all "appeals".

When I challanged a ticket I wasn't turned down...

Two years ago I challanged a 'PEO' because he had parked in a disabled bay when there was clearly other spaces available. His arrogant answer was we are allowed to park where we want. As I wasn't really happy with his answer I took a picture of his car in a bay and he kindly responded ny issuing me with a ticket even though I was in my car, in the car park. I'll save you all the details save to say I ended up getting the ticket revoked and he actually ended up getting a PCN. Which he had to pay. That was a good result.

This happened in Lockmeadow carpark in Maidstone. This appeal was heard by the issuing company and I was given a very fair hearing. If you have been unfairly treated then you should expect to be let off. Like I was.

Regards

Flipper

trisontana

Flipper38 wrote: »

Blue badge Holders are people who generally have reduced mobility. Why wouldn't you have a blue badge if thats the case. If people choose not to have a blue badge when eligible then thats their choice. They are making a statement that says to me they don't want to be singled out as having a disability. Unfortunately that means they can't use the disabled bays. I have no problem with people who need blue badges, its the ones who have fake ones, or, claim to be disabled when they are clearly able-bodied that I have a problem with.

Wrong!!!

How many more times must it be stated that blue-badges have no legal standing in private car-parks?

lucylucky

Flipper38 wrote: »

Blue badge Holders are people who generally have reduced mobility. Why wouldn't you have a blue badge if thats the case. If people choose not to have a blue badge when eligible then thats their choice. They are making a statement that says to me they don't want to be singled out as having a disability. Unfortunately that means they can't use the disabled bays. Of course they can use them, there is nothing to stop them I have no problem with people who need blue badges, its the ones who have fake ones, or, claim to be disabled when they are clearly able-bodied that I have a problem with.



When I challanged a ticket I wasn't turned down...

Two years ago I challanged a 'PEO' because he had parked in a disabled bay when there was clearly other spaces available. His arrogant answer was we are allowed to park where we want. As I wasn't really happy with his answer I took a picture of his car in a bay and he kindly responded ny issuing me with a ticket even though I was in my car, in the car park. I'll save you all the details save to say I ended up getting the ticket revoked and he actually ended up getting a PCN. Which he had to pay. That was a good result.

This happened in Lockmeadow carpark in Maidstone. This appeal was heard by the issuing company and I was given a very fair hearing. If you have been unfairly treated then you should expect to be let off. Like I was.

Regards

Flipper

Why did the person get a PCN?

I hope he didn't have to pay it, can't see why he would.
Neither would you of course.

(Assuming that Lockmeadow Car Park is not run by the council)

EDIT - which I now see it is, so not relevant to this discussion.

trisontana

Lockmeadow Car Park is actually run by Maidstone Borough Council, so that's another argument shot down in flames!. So nothing to do with a PPC. Unless they are acting on behalf of the council, and that's a different ball-game completely. It looks like Flipper38 doesn't seem to grasp the difference between council and private car-parks.

Coblcris

I would deprecate most strongly any suggestion that 'appealing' to these companies has any merit whatsoever.

My conclusion is that flipper38 has an undisclosed vested interest.