A Disabled Charity And A PPC

Flipper38

trisontana wrote: »

I have now received another reply from them saying they will no longer enter into any more dialogue with me. The reason given was that I had published somebody's "private email address". In fact it wasn't private at all, it took the form of "xxxxxx@mobilise.info". Surely that's a (public) company email?

On their website the only contact email address are 'enquiries@mobilise.info' or '[EMAIL="editor@mobilise.info"]editor@mobilise.info[/EMAIL]'. I guess as you seem to be just taking it out on one person -whose email address you have published- they are taking umbridge at that. I appreciate you may have a name of the person who has replied, but, I'm sure they haven't taken the decision wholly on their own and therefore don't you think that it is a little bit unfair to be naming them personally.

Regards

Coblcris

Looking to be legitimate (to you) and actually being legitimate are not synonymous.

trisontana

Flipper38 wrote: »

Whilst I appreciate you might not agree with their allegience with UKCPS maybe they have done this to try and educate them on whats right and wrong. For all we know, UKCPS might ask Mobilise for advice on every ticket issued to blue badge holders, they might be told to rescind first offenders.... If you genuinely make a mistake then you shouldn't be penalised. However, if you keep making mistakes then why should you keep getting away with it?

I don't think that's the case. Just take a look at post#1 on here. That person had made a genuine mistake and went back five minuets later to rectify it, but to no avail. They then "appealed" to the PPC giving these facts only to be told that if they pay a reduced amount, then that "charge" would be halved and they would get "free membership of Mobilise. So no input at all from the charity on that matter.

By the way the people who make these mistakes are not "offenders" (as no law has been broken) and a PPC cannot "penalise" anyone. All they can ask for is the actual material loss suffered by the landowner.

As for the Mobilise website. It's riddled with mistakes. They don't seem to realise that the blue badge scheme does not apply to private car-parks and they have no understanding at all about contract law. They even talk about "fining" people. Private parking companies cannot fine people, simple as that.

AlexisV

They're a joke and obviously get a kickback from UKCPS.

http://ukcps.net/mobilise.php

trisontana

From the above link:-
UKCPS will offer, on appeal, a discounted payment to blue badge holders not displaying a blue badge.

Of course (as has been said on here many times before) the Blue-badge scheme doe not apply to private car-parks. UKCPS are fully aware of this fact. The same page states:-

Because there is no specific legislation regarding disabled bay provision or use on private land Mobilise consider it important to raise awareness of the issues with all parties.

fb1969

Because being disabled does not necessarily mean you have a Blue Badge, Mobilise are in effect supporting and advocating discrimination against people with disabilities!

trisontana

fb1969 wrote: »

Because being disabled does not necessarily mean you have a Blue Badge, Mobilise are in effect supporting and advocating discrimination against people with disabilities!

I have pointed this out to Mobilise, and all they say is that they have "taken advice" from the BPA and a "independent disability advisor", and they think they have done nothing wrong. They seem to have buried their head in the sand and have been brainwashed by UKCPS.

Flipper38

trisontana wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. Just take a look at post#1 on here. That person had made a genuine mistake and went back five minuets later to rectify it, but to no avail. They then "appealed" to the PPC giving these facts only to be told that if they pay a reduced amount, then that "charge" would be halved and they would get "free membership of Mobilise. So no input at all from the charity on that matter.

How do you know they made a genuine mistake? We don't know whether they replied without talking to Mobilise. We don't even know whether or not this is the first time it's happened. It's only what has been reported. I guess we would have to find out the full story to make a balanced judgement.

trisontana wrote: »

By the way the people who make these mistakes are not "offenders" (as no law has been broken) and a PPC cannot "penalise" anyone. All they can ask for is the actual material loss suffered by the landowner.

As I stated in another post, there have been cases upheld so an offence must have been committed.

trisontana wrote: »

As for the Mobilise website. It's riddled with mistakes. They don't seem to realise that the blue badge scheme does not apply to private car-parks and they have no understanding at all about contract law. They even talk about "fining" people. Private parking companies cannot fine people, simple as that.

Riddled with mistakes??? I'm sure they understand the legal standing on blue badge holders and private car parks. If you read their policy on 'Off Street Parking' they want blue badge holders to get it for free. Its seems a fairly sensible to me.

Maybe the word 'fine' is used because universally it is the word that most people recognise. I'm sure if you talked to them they know the difference.

trisontana

Flipper38 wrote: »

How do you know they made a genuine mistake? We don't know whether they replied without talking to Mobilise. We don't even know whether or not this is the first time it's happened. It's only what has been reported. I guess we would have to find out the full story to make a balanced judgement.



As I stated in another post, there have been cases upheld so an offence must have been committed.



Riddled with mistakes??? I'm sure they understand the legal standing on blue badge holders and private car parks. If you read their policy on 'Off Street Parking' they want blue badge holders to get it for free. Its seems a fairly sensible to me.

Maybe the word 'fine' is used because universally it is the word that most people recognise. I'm sure if you talked to them they know the difference.

This is the original post ( from the Consumer Action Website) :-

I am a disabled driver, and went in to a shop (on a private car park) and forgot to display my blue badge. Wrong of me I know, but when I returned to the car some five minutes later I had a ticket.


Mobilise don't understand the legal standing of blue badges on private land. As you well know, this scheme does not apply in private car-parks and it's a breach of the DDA by just providing disabled spaces to blue-badge holders. This is because it's discrimination against other disabled people.

Could you please list some cases were an "offence" has been upheld. You don't seem to understand the difference between contract law and criminal law. You cannot commit an offence under contract law.

From the Consumer Action Group website:-

bottom line and FACT

a BLUE BADGE has no LEGAL standing on private property

NO PRIVATE COMPANY PPC or other can demand nor have any legal right in LAW to make a condition a BLUE BADGE be displayed, regardless of their terms and conditions,

the inclusion of any T&C that refer to the USE AND DISPLAY of a BLUE BADGE make their T&C unlawfully regardless and therefore a breach under the DDA, which if so Criminal action against them under the DDA can and may be taken against them

nor can they inspect or demand to see the BADGE for any reason whatsoever, nor copy any information from it

A BLUE BADGE IS ISSUED solely for the use on the Public Highway or that of Council Owned car parks with the correct TMO covering the car park

peter_the_piper

Flipper, can you please clarify ""As I stated in another post, there have been cases upheld so an offence must have been committed.""