Council Tax. Council's powers to obtain information

tbs624

puddy wrote: »

well im backing barry, not because i know or dont know about ctax law but because of simple common sense.

yep, because clearly common sense says that this a battle worth wasting time on :rotfl:

puddy wrote: »

and as others have pointed out on here, there is no need for a written tenancy, so what would the council do if this was not a written tenancy.

Are you related to Barry? Or wanting to hook up with him? There *is* a written tenancy in Barry's case and he could have had all this sorted now, and be ready to deal with the next dramatic event in his life.

Or we could continue to look at all the possible scenarios and potential principles involved. What if the T had just gone ahead and sent her copy of the TA in to the Council? Could anyone advise Barry whether she should have sought his permission before doing so?

What if the T had refused to co-operate amd Barry's cat ate his copy of the TA so he couldn't send that one to the CTax office? Would the cat have any CTax liability?

puddy wrote: »

i would go straight to the manager and then the mp, this is ludicrous and yes, as others have suggested on here, this is exactly about principle.

Huffle , puffle........shouldn't principle be in capitals, puddy, ITS THE PRINCIPLE do you hear???????????

clutton_2

""Would the cat have any CTax liability?"" only if it was a registered PAYE employee.. maybe as Barry's leg-rubber.....

Barry_D

@tbs24 does your post provide any further answer to the original question? No! Is it an opinion? Yes! Is it helpful? Not in the slightest

@clutton - try posting that one over at LLZone...hang on, on second thoughts, no, don't because maybe, juts maybe you have a point. Why not start a thread here to discuss the financial pros and cons of having a cat on the payroll and as a tenant and as a leg-rubber. Does a leg-rubber come under allowable expenses for entertainment purposes? Does a cat suffer depreciation or is it an appreciating asset? If it caught mice would they be benefits in kind? Go on...you know you want to...

@puddy...careful..they'll be after YOU now, you know!

puddy

well as i say, i can only speak from experience, for 5 years back in the 90s, i worked as a council tax benefit officer and as a council tax payer, i have never had to do more than phone up and say ive moved in, or moved out. and thats how it should be. tenancies or mortgage documents or anything else was never requested to establish liability (although i know things change).
what if the new person living there was a home owner without a mortgage, no documents other than the deeds, would ctax want those as well?

clutton_2

OMG - Baz has a sense of humour after all !!


i suppose you could tie a duster round the cat and get it to polish between the balustrade posts on the landing ........

payment in tins of kit-e-kat

tbs624

clutton wrote: »

OMG - Baz has a sense of humour after all !!


i suppose you could tie a duster round the cat and get it to polish between the balustrade posts on the landing ........

payment in tins of kit-e-kat

The cat's beneficial purposes may continue long after it has stopped demanding payment via kit-e-kat. Please tell me that the CTax liability of the cat doesn't continue in this case: clearly our Bazza has fixed the lav chain/handle in line with his repairing obligations, but before he did so he stood in something (apologies to Simon Bond)

poppysarah

puddy wrote: »

well as i say, i can only speak from experience, for 5 years back in the 90s, i worked as a council tax benefit officer and as a council tax payer, i have never had to do more than phone up and say ive moved in, or moved out. and thats how it should be. tenancies or mortgage documents or anything else was never requested to establish liability (although i know things change).
what if the new person living there was a home owner without a mortgage, no documents other than the deeds, would ctax want those as well?

I assume there's a dispute we're not being told about in this example. I assume there's a gap that the tenant doesn't (rightly) want to pay for and Mr Barry doesn't want to either.

If there's a discrepency then the council must have the right to clarify details.

The council can look on the land registry to find out who to put on the bill - but most sensible people give their correct details (by phone and then in writing because most of us have had odd service from the council tax departments at some time or other)

If they want more than that there will be a reason for it.

puddy

yes, possibly, but if that was the case, then surely when tenant a moved out, they would have rang the council or written to say im moving out on 30th june.

tenant b comes along and rings up and says, im now liable from 15th july, please send me a bill

so ctax have a gap, they seem to know that he is the landlord, surely they would just send him a bill for th 2 weeks and register her as the newly liable person?

puddy

anyway, barry, after all this what are you going to do?

clutton_2

feed the cat no doubt