new dla medicals

dark_lady

If people on DLA should have to prove what they are spending their DLA on then shouldnt we excercise the same principle with Child Benefit otherwise it is simply more discrimination against disabled people and after all being disabled or ill is not a choice.
Becoming a parent is!

LittleTinker

cit_k wrote: »

since when has a decision maker used their own medical opinion, or based decisions on what they see others do, or how others behave?

They are not medically trained, they have to follow the decision makers guide, and surely it would be illegal for them to do as you say, they are not in a position to know what is the norm for a condition etc, they have to go by the evidence provided, not their own bias or what they know themselves surely?

I didn't say a DM uses their own medical knowledge or that they see with their own eyes how other people are.

I am talking about the information that a DM uses within his authority in order to help him reach an informed and well considered descision.

The first port of call is to familiarise themself with the condition and its symptoms so that have a measure on which to base the claimants information.

For example.......I could fill out a DLA form and say that I have a condition called Savingmoneyitis and that it means I cannot walk, Im in constant pain and that I need someone to care for me etc.
A DM will not just take my word for it. He will not read through the form and think "Oh dear. Poor girl......Ill award her high care and high mobility".

He will check the information on the database available to him. If that information says "Moneysavingitis causes severe pain and causes an inability to walk" then the DM has a pretty good idea that the claim form is an accurate representation of the facts so far.
If it says "Moneysavingitis is a mild condition with no visible symptoms other than a small rash when handling credit cards" then the DM has some further checks to make. He has to make further checks because he cannot assume that the claimant is lying completely.

He will check specialist reports, doctor reports, their own database of information, other claimants etc.

They have a 'norm' on which they have to operate and take it one step at a time........in some cases where patients forms differ greatly from the 'norm', they will be turned down and the claimant will then have to appeal if they think their case is strong enough. Of course some claimants WILL differ from the norm and they often have supporting evidence to back this up........it all takes time to deal with and make a descison on. They dont rush it, as we all know.

The descisions are not based on their own bias nor their own thoughts on the matter. They are very carefully looked at.

LittleTinker

dark_lady wrote: »

If people on DLA should have to prove what they are spending their DLA on then shouldnt we excercise the same principle with Child Benefit otherwise it is simply more discrimination against disabled people and after all being disabled or ill is not a choice.
Becoming a parent is!

Child benefit is paid to ALL children, with no exceptions.
Even if you take it at the highest level of £20 a week per child, we all know that a child costs far more than £20 a week to look after. We also need to ensure a continuation of children being born and being looked after as they are the tax-payers of the future.....our future workers.....doctors and nurses, police, firemen, joiners, plumbers and shop workers alike.

Even if you asked a parent to justify the £20 a week, they could easily show where the money is spent.

Child benefit is a very small price to pay for the upkeep of our future leaders and workers.

DLA, however, is not paid to all disabled people and in some cases is paid to people who are not as disabled as it might seem.
It is reported that some people are not deserving of the benefit, or that they have too much money given to them. Some also say that it is paid out too easily to some groups of people.

If some disabled people are given money FOR A SPECIFIC REASON (which is what it is) then the tax payer has a right to ask what it is being spent on to a degree.

Some people on DLA will freely admit that they use the money as extra spending money or money to pay for a holiday each year. Yes, a disabled person can argue that the holiday is needed for their health ......but that can be argued for every adult.

The two benefits are really quite different and asking where the money is spent is not discriminating at all.

DX2

LittleTinker wrote: »

The point I make is that her claim will exagerate her problems so much that under the current rules for assessing DLA, is might end up getting a claim awarded.

Exaggerate is key

Another poster posted up a link just the other day and to be honest I'm disgusted by the blatant lies that some people will tell.

While filling in this form think of the very worst times you’ve had with your child. It’s a very negative experience but will be worth it.

Also mention at every stage the impact all your AS child’s behaviour is having on the rest of your family. Keep thinking of the worst times.

Part 7 – If the child needs someone with them when they are outdoors
Here you must think of the worst experiences you’ve had with your child outside. They do not have to be that recent.[/QUOTE]

Tell us roughly how long they need someone with them each time during the day.
Put the maximum time down

Part 20 – The child’s mental health

Remember to think about the worst day you’ve spent with your child.

You can have a field day in this section!

Part 36 – Statement from someone else who knows the child
May be worthwhile getting a teacher, although sometimes they will not be able to as part of the school’s policy; a social worker or a medical professional that deals with your child as long as they know the problems you are having. Otherwise a relation who shares care. Remind them also to think of the worst, most demanding behaviour they have seen.

Please note that these are only suggestions, but are all based upon several successful claims for DLA.

bigturnip

Are these proposed medicals even for people with indefinite awards?

DX2

bigturnip wrote: »

Are these proposed medicals even for people with indefinite awards?

Yes.........................

BLT_2

LittleTinker wrote: »

Child benefit is paid to ALL children, with no exceptions.
Even if you take it at the highest level of £20 a week per child, we all know that a child costs far more than £20 a week to look after. We also need to ensure a continuation of children being born and being looked after as they are the tax-payers of the future.....our future workers.....doctors and nurses, police, firemen, joiners, plumbers and shop workers alike.

Even if you asked a parent to justify the £20 a week, they could easily show where the money is spent.

Child benefit is a very small price to pay for the upkeep of our future leaders and workers.

Its a fricking high price to pay for the large percentage of feral youths who roam the streets and who will in the future be breaking into your house to steal your LCD TV or trying to work out how to fill in dodgy DLA claims.

Indie_Kid

LittleTinker wrote: »

The first port of call is to familiarise themself with the condition and its symptoms so that have a measure on which to base the claimants information.

For example.......I could fill out a DLA form and say that I have a condition called Savingmoneyitis and that it means I cannot walk, Im in constant pain and that I need someone to care for me etc.
A DM will not just take my word for it. He will not read through the form and think "Oh dear. Poor girl......Ill award her high care and high mobility".

He will check the information on the database available to him. If that information says "Moneysavingitis causes severe pain and causes an inability to walk" then the DM has a pretty good idea that the claim form is an accurate representation of the facts so far.
If it says "Moneysavingitis is a mild condition with no visible symptoms other than a small rash when handling credit cards" then the DM has some further checks to make. He has to make further checks because he cannot assume that the claimant is lying completely.

He will check specialist reports, doctor reports, their own database of information, other claimants etc.

They have a DMG which they can refer to. For some conditions, it's split into mild, moderate and severe. With the exception of deafblindness, it doesn't take into account other conditions. It says what the expected problems are - for example, as someone with moderate to severe sight sight loss, I may be registered as partially sighted, I may need help outside, I may need help with reading (post, signs when outside, medication labels, etc.) - however, I would be expected to use any aids, therefore, should have no problems reading. (However, I have various eye issues, which can make reading tiring and painful)

They don't always contact the persons' GP or specialist - it's obvious they haven't done this with me.

Another poster posted up a link just the other day and to be honest I'm disgusted by the blatant lies that some people will tell.

I agree. I've always been told to it on an average day; but explain better and bad days and how often they are. I'm sure it also says on the mobility section "is there anything more you want to tell us? For example, does your condition vary?"

shegirl

sh1305 wrote: »

Some of us already get pulled about enough by medical professionals.

Define "minor". To claim DLA, you must need at least one hour of personal care, be unable to prepare a cooked meal, (cooking ability is ignored) walk outside due to physical disability or need help and supervision outside.

If only that were true!

My 'mother' who is registered blind (and shouldn't be in my opinion) can cook,albeit crap,she can go out on her own to chase her dog,she dresses herself,she can wash herself,she doesn't need anyone to do anything for her.Yet she is on middle rate care and low mobility.

Perfect example of why things like this need doing.

Indie_Kid

shegirl wrote: »

If only that were true!

My 'mother' who is registered blind (and shouldn't be in my opinion) can cook,albeit crap,

Is the food burnt? Cooked properly? The cooking test isn't based on ability to cook - it's things like safety and being able to follow instructions.

she can go out on her own to chase her dog,she dresses herself,she can wash herself,she doesn't need anyone to do anything for her.Yet she is on middle rate care and low mobility.

She's lucky then. I can just about wash; but not shave.