Over the top tenant!!!!!!!!!

clutton_2

she actually sounds very vulnerable, and sounds as if she may not have rented before on her own ... Did you find out why she was looking for new accommodation when she applied to you ?

I would help her complete the HB application form, and take her to the council offices with all the back-up documentation required... and if you can get the local council to classify her as vulnerable (I would type up a log of all the calls as evidence) then they will pay your rent directly to you.. Ask her if she had a social worker.... that would assist with vulnerability status...

if she has slight mental health issues this could explain her forgetting that she has asked you the same thing more than once....

I suspect she will settle down... if you have the patience to help her settle in.... and with her obsession with cleanliness could become a really good tenant....

Wee_Willy_Harris

Jowo wrote: »

Private landlords are not a branch of social services. He should stick with his landlord obligations on a business-like basis and serve notice because she has provided false information to secure the tenancy, is pestering the landlord with unnecessary non-maintenance related requests and has breached the tenancy agreement by bringing in dogs which may very well ruin the property.

OP - when does her fixed term tenancy agreement expire? Did you take up references from her previous landlords?

However, back in the here and now, the LL has a tenant who can't just be made to disappear overnight, so some assistance/support may make life easier for everyone involved. The decision to evict is always going to be with the LL. But if this can be turned into a positive LL/T relationship with a litle outside support, then everyone's a winner.

caringa

Jowo wrote: »

heh, heh, heh - wonder if this is the same tenant....only kidding.

she was so disabled that she left her wheelchair behind?!

Our thoughts entirely - although I did ring round the local hospitals to see if anything had happened to her as when she left there was a fridge full of food. We found out later from neighbours that they had seen her out walking the dogs and had begged from them. Even the local church had kindly helped her.

Also we think she might have been using the wheelchair as a ploy to shoplift as we found new childrens clothes in the flat and one neighbour reported seeing a van arriving regularly and taking out bags of stuff. We also found demands from other councils that she owed money to, including boarding kennels, so she had obviously kept the dogs somewhere else before moving them into our flat. Incidentally, before anyone asks about references, yes we did get them(or rather an agent did) but when we asked to see them later, the agent had had a nervous breakdown and gone out of business!! No wonder - we nearly joined her!!!

Jowo_2

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

However, back in the here and now, the LL has a tenant who can't just be made to disappear overnight, so some assistance/support may make life easier for everyone involved. The decision to evict is always going to be with the LL. But if this can be turned into a positive LL/T relationship with a litle outside support, then everyone's a winner.

It's not the responsibility of a landlord to get involved in the personal affairs of their tenants. The standard advice for landlords is to restrict themselves to their professional responsibilities and not get sucked into the private problems of tenants.

This, and other landlord forums, often see threads from landlords who used their heart rather than their heads (i.e. gave into sob stories) and let the charm or pleading of their tenants influence their decisions.

This normally ends badly as there is a very fine line, or none at all, between a needy person and a manipulative or deceitful one, and this is why the landlord should base their decision on whether or not the tenant is complying with their obligations.

Wee_Willy_Harris

Jowo wrote: »

It's not the responsibility of a landlord to get involved in the personal affairs of their tenants. The standard advice for landlords is to restrict themselves to their professional responsibilities and not get sucked into the private problems of tenants.

This, and other landlord forums, often see threads from landlords who used their heart rather than their heads (i.e. gave into sob stories) and let the charm or pleading of their tenants influence their decisions.

This normally ends badly as there is a very fine line, or none at all, between a needy person and a manipulative or deceitful one, and this is why the landlord should base their decision on whether or not the tenant is complying with their obligations.

But, as I said, the LL HAS the tenant. I'm merely suggesting a course of action that may assist in her dealings with the tenant while she is still legaly bound by the T/agg. As I said, the option to evict is always the LLs, but that may take some considerable time. In the meantime, she might as well try and get any support that may be available.

Jowo_2

Wee_Willy_Harris wrote: »

But, as I said, the LL HAS the tenant. I'm merely suggesting a course of action that may assist in her dealings with the tenant while she is still legaly bound by the T/agg. As I said, the option to evict is always the LLs, but that may take some considerable time. In the meantime, she might as well try and get any support that may be available.

This landlord is in no position to diagnose whether or not their tenant has health or personality disorders, interfere in their personal life or take any action other than determine if the tenant is suitable for living in the property. Clearly the tenant is a nightmare.

terryw

Jowo wrote: »

This landlord is in no position to diagnose whether or not their tenant has health or personality disorders, interfere in their personal life or take any action other than determine if the tenant is suitable for living in the property. Clearly the tenant is a nightmare.

Jowo,

I have a great deal of respect for you and your usual wise words. BUT,
we are are all responsible for other people in one way or another purely as human beings. We really have to try to help mate. We can not absolve ourselves with a simple business decision.

Jowo_2

terryw wrote: »

Jowo,

I have a great deal of respect for you and your usual wise words. BUT,
we are are all responsible for other people in one way or another purely as human beings. We really have to try to help mate. We can not absolve ourselves with a simple business decision.

if this landlord prefers to be a social worker, then that's their choice, and they can indeed report the poor mental state of them to social services for investigation. the scope for intervention is limited.

at the moment, they have a lying tenant in their property breaching a tenancy agreement and aggravating them with nuisance phone calls.

whether this is caused by early onset dementia, loneliness, mental illness or plain failure to comply with the responsibilities as a tenant, we or the landlord, are not in the position to know.

clutton_2

""whether this is caused by early onset dementia, loneliness, mental illness or plain failure to comply with the responsibilities as a tenant, we or the landlord, are not in the position to know. "

if we talk to the tenant we may well find out....

one of my benefit tenants got herself into a right mess with rent last year, and when we talked i foudn out it was because she had had a miscarriage, her mum had died, and the boyfriend had assaulted her.... she did get back on track with a bit of patience and encouragement..

Jowo_2

clutton wrote: »

if we talk to the tenant we may well find out....

one of my benefit tenants got herself into a right mess with rent last year, and when we talked i foudn out it was because she had had a miscarriage, her mum had died, and the boyfriend had assaulted her.... she did get back on track with a bit of patience and encouragement..

For rent arrears, the general advice given to landlords is to try to find out the reason behind it before making a decision on how to act.

The OP has not reported rent arrears but that they are hounded with requests unrelated to their obligations despite repeated attempts to dissuade them not to, the tenant supplied false information to get the tenancy and has now breached it by moving in two dogs who may do untold damage.

For tenants who lie and do not honour their obligations, the general advice given to landlords is to get rid of them.