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is that al megrahi still alive? nearly a year after his release - another lefty
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The_White_Horse wrote: »if he was innocent, he should have appealed. he withdrew his appeal and his chance to clear his name.
Guiseppe Conlon probably would've taken the chance to drop an appeal over dying in prison having been wrongly convicted of terrorist acts.....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4249943.stmSealed Pot Challenge - member 1109:j0 -
@stevie. Holocaust thing on Youtube. I think its lovely. See what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7PtrFJtseg
I wonder how they would have reacted if Gloria Gaynor had used that backdrop for the original:eek: Tasteless - Survivors or not.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Actually, I think you are diminishing how serious the issue of crime is. You think it is capable of being solved by more punishment. I think it is far worse than that.IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Let them away with it then, don't punish anyone of any crime.
What's the point is what your saying.
I don;t believe we punish harshly enough, if anything punishment has become more lenient.Hi, we’ve had to remove your signature. If you’re not sure why please read the forum rules or email the forum team if you’re still unsure - MSE ForumTeam0 -
DVardysShadow wrote: »Actually, I think you are diminishing how serious the issue of crime is. You think it is capable of being solved by more punishment. I think it is far worse than that.
I simply believe that the punishment should suit the crime, nothing more, nothing less.
When does a life sentence mean a life sentence?
How come the occasional life sentences (i.e. Peter Sutcliffe) seem to last forever while other mass murderers get released early.
How can you take someone's life and then be released less than a decade later?
Raoul Moat was release early from a sentence and deemed to be a threat.
How was that justice?Moat was released from prison earlier this month after serving a short sentence for assault. After his release Durham prison warned Northumbria police that he posed a threat to his former girlfriend Samantha Stobbart, who he shot and wounded after killing her new partner:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »I simply believe that the punishment should suit the crime, nothing more, nothing less.
When does a life sentence mean a life sentence?
How come the occasional life sentences (i.e. Peter Sutcliffe) seem to last forever while other mass murderers get released early.
How can you take someone's life and then be released less than a decade later?
Raoul Moat was release early from a sentence and deemed to be a threat.
How was that justice?
I guess that would be political expediency (same as Hindley and Brady) BTW which mass murderers have been let out early ( not including so called political ones).'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
I guess that would be political expediency (same as Hindley and Brady) BTW which mass murderers have been let out early ( not including so called political ones).
Why should political convictee's be treated any differently?
Are you saying that the governments support terrorism by way of releasing convicted terrorsits and murderers?
I guess in the OP's example the answer is yes, although they will try and spin it as it was for other reasons.
What about my other two questions?How can you take someone's life and then be released less than a decade later?
Raoul Moat was release early from a sentence and deemed to be a threat.
How was that justice?:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Why should political convictee's be treated any differently?
Are you saying that the governments support terrorism?
The simple answer is yes, one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter, I think the operations by the US in South America is without dispute.The BBC, in an article published shortly after the 9/11 attacks, stated that bin Laden "received security training from the CIA itself, according to Middle Eastern analyst Hazhir Teimourian."[1]
In a 2003 article, Michael Powelson of the Russian journal Demokratizatsiya wrote:It is difficult to believe that the United States played no role in the operations of the son of one of the wealthiest men in Saudi Arabia. Indeed, it is much more likely that the United States knew full-well of bin Laden's operation and gave it all the support they could.[2]
To be fair here is a denial by the US.
http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-english/2009/May/20090505134735atlahtnevel0.5280725.html'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Why should political convictee's be treated any differently?
Are you saying that the governments support terrorism by way of releasing convicted terrorsits and murderers?
I guess in the OP's example the answer is yes, although they will try and spin it as it was for other reasons.
What about my other two questions?
Ok your third point
what about crimes of passion, some poor sole abused for years and years and suddenly reacts - not so rare an occurrence.How can you take someone's life and then be released less than a decade later?
And your first.When does a life sentence mean a life sentence?
When it is perceived that there will be a public outcry if released or they are perceived to be still a danger to the public.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »
Raoul Moat was release early from a sentence and deemed to be a threat.
How was that justice?
Are you sure he was released early?...much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
When it is perceived that there will be a public outcry if released or they are perceived to be still a danger to the public.
See my Raoul Moat point.
I've also lost count the amount of peadophiles that have been released to the community only to re-offend.
Incidently
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/7882317/Watchdog-sparks-reoffending-costs-row.html
http://www.crimlinks.com/News2010/July122010b.htmlIn extraordinary comments Andrew Bridges, the chief inspector of probation, said the public must decide if it is worth bearing the “cost” of reoffending in order to save money by not keeping criminals in jail for longer.
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Mr Bridges, who stands down next year, was immediately criticised for suggesting financial costs should influence how an offender is punished while victim groups labelled the comments “disgusting”.
Interesting also that reoffending is rising?
Is it because more and more are being released early?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5362217/Reoffending-rate-rise-for-first-time-in-five-years.html:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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