How are third and pass degrees regarded these days?

studentphil

Legal students and Ethics- I make no comment.

DrFluffy

studentphil wrote:

Legal students and Ethics- I make no comment.

Most healthcare ethics is enshrouded in law... Both civil and criminal. I'd rather know what I need to know to act in both the best interest of my patient and of my own... No point putting yourself through med school if you terminate your career early on something stupid...

studentphil

DrFluffy wrote:

Crap! You with hold anything from a patient and you'll get stuck off before you can say 'erm...'. Read up on informed consent, and take a look at the GMCs 13 duties of a doctor...

Anyway! I need some zzz's else I'm not going to be use to man nor beast tomorrow!

You are unable to see Ethics or spiritually outside medicine in the clinical environment and that is such a narrow view to take but that how you are trained.

DrFluffy

studentphil wrote:

Legal students and Ethics- I make no comment.

Actually - I'm now tired and ratty, so am going to bite! My other half is a barrister and one of the most ethical and moral people I know. What gives you the right to make sweeping comments, even if *you were only joking*???

DrFluffy

studentphil wrote:

You are unable to see Ethics or spiritually outside medicine in the clinical environment and that is such a narrow view to take but that how you are trained.

No - I am looking at this from the point of view of acting in my future patients best interest. You can get so much furtheru by actually spending time with a patient talking to them than you ever can reading and theorising...

I am more than capable of seeing both outside medicine, and do. You make so many assumptions and yet are so quick to judge...

studentphil

DrFluffy wrote:

Crap! You with hold anything from a patient and you'll get stuck off before you can say 'erm...'. Read up on informed consent, and take a look at the GMCs 13 duties of a doctor...

Anyway! I need some zzz's else I'm not going to be use to man nor beast tomorrow!

Sleep well!! The truth of science is a far different issue to that of telling the truth to your customer, but it a huge conceptual issue that is probably of little interest to those in science.

DrFluffy

studentphil wrote:

Sleep well!! The truth of science is a far different issue to that of telling the truth to your customer, but it a huge conceptual issue that is probably of little interest to those in science.

..and again you are assuming that I do not know that... Or that people outside science do not care. How arrogant is that???????????????????

studentphil

DrFluffy wrote:

..and again you are assuming that I do not know that... Or that people outside science do not care. How arrogant is that???????????????????

That comes from papers on the teaching philosophy of science to science students that it holds little interest to them sometimes- so it is not really my assumption.

studentphil

Originally Posted by DrFluffy
No - I am looking at this from the point of view of acting in my future patients best interest. You can get so much furtheru by actually spending time with a patient talking to them than you ever can reading and theorising...

I am more than capable of seeing both outside medicine, and do. You make so many assumptions and yet are so quick to judge...

Being an Ethist is nothing to do with is your OH good or moral but it is the skills of being an ethist that Legal students can lack as they are not professional Ethists- if you see the point

Summery of what I am saying:

1 Law students are not immoral- but they are not professional ethists
2 the philosophical issues of science can hold little interest to those in science.
3 It is questionable if you can deal with Spiritual issues without first have a good understanding of spirituality.

melancholly

studentphil wrote:

2 the philosophical issues of science can hold little interest to those in science.

now that's clearly just rubbish!
for some scientists it is unimportant (you yourself use the word sometimes!) but others take it incredibly seriously - ask anyone who works in animal testing or work with sensitive populations.
just because you are doing an undergraduate philosophy degree doesn't mean you can generalise about every scientist in the country..... that's extrapolation - maybe you should go back and study the difference between inductive and deductive reasoning!!!

if you are assuming i can't know anything about spirituality without studying it then the same holds for you and science.... by your own aruguement you are not qualified to make the statement! part of scientific ethics involves presentation of results versus interpretation. i'm not even sure what facts you are using for your sweeping comments - drfluffy just hit the nail on the head - you sound entirely arrogant....i'm hoping it's just the way you are phrasing things because it's coming across as a major superiority complex.