How are third and pass degrees regarded these days?

melancholly

talksalot81 wrote:

How about we agree to this on the acceptance that we stop calling them doctors and correctly term them 'medics'!? Most people seem ignorant to the fact that a medic often is no more than an honourary doctor and a huge number have not earned a phd or MD or the likes.

honorary doctor or not, if i end up in a&e after a car crash, i'll call them whatever they want! i'm not ignorant of the fact that phds and doctors are different, i don't think it's a big deal!

I'm happy to be getting my phd and as long as that's recognised, i don't mind what anyone thinks of anything else. 'medics' study for a long time and does it really matter if they are referred to as doctors? i know that there is a certain amount of academic snobbery about it from some people, but it seems slightly unecessary to me. it's just not something i can get worked up about

i had lots of undergrad lectures/practicals with medics and vets and found them, on the whole, the most hard working group of people i met. there were a high proportion of borderline alcoholics in there, but they have stupid workloads as students and spend all day with eachother so being quite insular is expected.

from my experience of uni, where i had lectures all over the place depending on what rooms could fit the students and when they were free - i rarely had any lectures in my own department. i don't think it matters where people have lectures...... does it?! i hate big groups of external students coming into the building i'm in and making lots of noise/leaving mess/needing directions to the lecture theatre... less hassle for the rest of us!!

DrFluffy

studentphil wrote:

Dont you start getting above yourself just because you think are super with a real doctorate and a medical student:D

I *love* Sweeny Todd! If you're ever in London, go to the Old Bank of England pub on Fleet Street - reputed to be the site of his shop and that of Mrs Lovett

mr_rush

DrFluffy wrote:

Then you are a student doctor... same codes and morals bind you now as will when you qualify. "I'm only a student" will not save your back if the !!!! hits the fan...

Really? I was never registered with the GMC when I was a student - therefore how is a medical student bound by the same codes as a Dr.

And I'm afraid 'i'm only a student' will always save you. You have no legal or moral responsibility towards any patient you see, you are not treating them. It is the Drs whose firm you are on who are responsible so if anything goes wrong a medical student cannot get the blame (unless abviously it involves a criminal act).

studentphil

DrFluffy wrote:

That must be just at your uni. We have IPE - Interprofessional Education with students from other universities and cover/work with nurses from all three branches, both radiography branches, midwifery, speech and language therapists, physiotherapists, occupational therapists and dentalists. It's all taken very, very seriously...

That will happen here with other allied medical professional students but maybe medical students might benefit from learning Physo- spiritual medicine with Theology students and medical ethics with philosophy students- just to give them a different view on the world.

studentphil

I think medical students are taugh very briefly about the Spiritual element to life and death but maybe not enough to broaden their views.

studentphil

DrFluffy wrote:

I *love* Sweeny Todd! If you're ever in London, go to the Old Bank of England pub on Fleet Street - reputed to be the site of his shop and that of Mrs Lovett

Thanks for the tip.

DrFluffy

studentphil wrote:

That will happen here with other allied medical professional students but maybe medical students might benefit from learning Physo- spiritual medicine with Theology students and medical ethics with philosophy students- just to give them a different view on the world.

Personally I would rather learn medical ethics with lawyers

No offence to theology students, but how much patient contact do you have? Patients don't want to hear you mumbo-jumbo'ing, or theorising. they want to know that you are there for them, on their side and doing everythng you can to get to the bottom of their problems, and not just medical ones... Something as simple as taking 5 mins out to sit with them, to hold them when they cry etc is often the most amazing thing you can do for them... There's not tome on that one...

studentphil

That is a great problem with all science education is that has an in built assumption of certainty and truth which should not always be granted.

DrFluffy

studentphil wrote:

I think medical students are taugh very briefly about the Spiritual element to life and death but maybe not enough to broaden their views.

Where do you get this view from? While I agree that most medical curricular do not deal with spirituality in life and death enough, many do dedicate a significant chunk to the subject. I'ver just witten a paper on the subject (as a palliative care wanna be), and am just waiting to hear if it has been accepted (*crosses fingers*)

DrFluffy

studentphil wrote:

That is a great problem with all science education is that has an in built assumption of certainty and truth which should not always be granted.

Crap! You with hold anything from a patient and you'll get stuck off before you can say 'erm...'. Read up on informed consent, and take a look at the GMCs 13 duties of a doctor...

Anyway! I need some zzz's else I'm not going to be use to man nor beast tomorrow!