Is UK Unemployment Enraging You?

Reverbe

LadyMissA wrote: »

so how is ANYONE meant to get a job when we are told to apply for jobs at minimum wage? Sorry to say its that mentallity that keeps a lot of people out of work

Last month I worked in my new role for a month and earned less than dole..:mad:

wantsajob

I think it's even worse out there for people with disabilities. Every job there are hundreds of people going for. Employers can be choosy, and which employer would pick a disabled person over someone without those difficulties?! Suspect only the ones aiming for numbers will be positively discriminating, and even then they're more likely to go for irrelevant disabilities that hardly affect their ability to perform the tasks, such as a chopped off thumb.

LadyMissA

Reverbe wrote: »

Last month I worked in my new role for a month and earned less than dole..:mad:

so that means you are only working 10 hours a week?

LadyMissA

wantsajob wrote: »

I think it's even worse out there for people with disabilities. Every job there are hundreds of people going for. Employers can be choosy, and which employer would pick a disabled person over someone without those difficulties?! Suspect only the ones aiming for numbers will be positively discriminating, and even then they're more likely to go for irrelevant disabilities that hardly affect their ability to perform the tasks, such as a chopped off thumb.

Some places esp local authorties etc have a Guaranteed Interview Scheme so as long as you meet the criteria get an interview. I think disabilty shouldn't be a DISadvantage nor should it be an advantage.

nannymiaow

Tippytoes wrote: »

It IS tough out there. Try googling "Polish Employment Agencies". No shortage of jobs and all kinds of additional assistance denied to the indigenous jobseeker.

Perhaps some of the indigenous workforce should take a long hard look at themselves and ask why they are unable to secure employment. Interesting article in The Mail. All from the point of employers, makes for interesting reading.

wantsajob

nannymiaow wrote: »

Interesting article in The Mail. All from the point of employers, makes for interesting reading.

Problem is they say all that, while OTOH moaning their profits are low, their business is unsustainable, and people are not spending on their products. Polish people send all the earnings home to their family, where the money is worth substantially more - which is why they're more willing to work for it, and live a frugal life here. If they're forced to employ British people they'll quickly find they created a generation of losers who can't work, simply because they kept them out of work.

The guy saying work from the bottom to the top who only seems to be able to provide the example of the Tesco boss - get real. You might step up the ladder if you do well is one of the biggest lies designed to get you to work your rear end off - only for such opportunities to rarely arise - or consist of managing a small group for only £1k extra. Also often used in Workfare schemes to get people working for £0 an hour to work their rear ends off in return for nothing - with no job at the end as the next lot of victims are sent by the Jobcentre.

I'm not saying businesses are wrong to choose people who do the job better, but can't help feeling they're unintentionally shooting themselves in the foot whilst aiming for a quick buck. I'm also amused they complain that Brits expect higher wages, when what they expect will only be a fraction of what they earn as the boss. One standard of living for them, one for those they employ it seems.

LadyMissA wrote: »

Some places esp local authorties etc have a Guaranteed Interview Scheme so as long as you meet the criteria get an interview. I think disabilty shouldn't be a DISadvantage nor should it be an advantage.

My experience is it's more a disadvantage. The only advantage is that if you take advantage of guaranteed interview schemes you get an interview, which I suppose is something - even if you don't get a job. IMO it *SHOULD* be an advantage given that people with disabilities are generally disadvantaged. I can't see why someone would begrudge someone with a disability getting a small step up if, for example, they've been unable to get a job due to their disability for 6 years like myself. And it's not like I'm sat moaning about a disability doing nothing, I have done voluntary work, I have a degree and a masters.

nannymiaow

wantsajob wrote: »

The guy saying work from the bottom to the top who only seems to be able to provide the example of the Tesco boss - get real. You might step up the ladder if you do well is one of the biggest lies designed to get you to work your rear end off - only for such opportunities to rarely arise - or consist of managing a small group for only £1k extra.

Disagree with this. I started out at the bottom and now earn a pretty good wage. My husband took a very low paying job as he would rather work than not - he worked damned hard during his probation period and was given a hefty pay rise as they are so pleased with him.

It could be argued that you are suggesting that it is better not to work for low pay because it might not rise at all - surely it is always better to work hard and strive for better than to settle for a life on the dole? You also complain about the money the 'bosses' earn. I think this is absolutely as it should be. They are the ones with the real responsibilites, that take the risks, invest the money (if they are the company owners) and have probably worked their @rses off to get where they are. Seems only fair that they benefit.

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LadyMissA wrote: »

so that means you are only working 10 hours a week?

no anything from 15-20.. they also are not paying the new rate of NMW - well not for THAT month anyway

wantsajob

nannymiaow wrote: »

You also complain about the money the 'bosses' earn. I think this is absolutely as it should be. They are the ones with the real responsibilites, that take the risks, invest the money (if they are the company owners) and have probably worked their @rses off to get where they are.

Not complaining about what they earn, just suggesting they are somewhat hypocritical and exploitative. Why should someone earn £5 million a year and look down their nose at their employees thinking they only deserve £18k a year, for example, when the person getting £18k a year is at the sharp end of the work doing the actual job.

My experience is bosses rarely take any real responsibility. Businesses generally enjoy a blame culture based on their Organisational structure. One boss will tell another what they have to do, and blame them if they do not achieve it - even if the thing expected to achieve is an unrealistic expectation. That boss in turn demands those under them achieve targets set for them. You end up in a situation where the boss at the top of the chain treats regional managers like trash, the regional managers in turn treat store managers like trash, and store managers treat employees like trash. Everyone employed by the company feels like !!!!, and productivity is affected.