Is UK Unemployment Enraging You?

jamiemusson

RossDave10 wrote: »

If you really WANT a job, there are plenty going!

You sound like nearly all people on the dole,

"theres nothing going im so angry"

Yeah right, where I live, there are new cleaning jobs nearly everyday, but I bet none of them apply for any of them 'cos its "cleaning", any job is better then no job, even if some shop isnt advertising, ask anyway, not all advertise,

I'm sorry but you can always try HARDER!!

come to Grimsby Town and see how easy it is for you to find a job. I've tried everything mate. I'm not signed on, I'm not claiming anything, I'm just unemployed and extremely desperate for any kind of work. I've gone for bar jobs, cleaning jobs, maccy D's, retail, driving, agency (usually lasts a few days and never hear from again), even tried some self-employment options. Trust me, work in this area is dry. I got an interview for a job at B&Q, it wasn't advertised, I had to use my initiative to log on the website, find the career I wanted, and apply. There were 4 jobs going in total..I asked him how many other people had applied for this un-advertised job, he said 8. Imagine how many people apply for an advertised one and being somebody with no relevant experience or qualifications for most jobs I apply for...odds are someone has more experience than me and I won't get it.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush, some of us are desperately seeking work from anyone, doing anything (within reason).

It's not about not applying for cleaning jobs, I have applied for them jobs and not heard anything back...it's not about standards or whatever, a jobs a frickin' job and it pays the same type of notes as a bank manager or a rocket engineer would get

RossDave10

jamiemusson wrote: »

come to Grimsby Town and see how easy it is for you to find a job. I've tried everything mate. I'm not signed on, I'm not claiming anything, I'm just unemployed and extremely desperate for any kind of work. I've gone for bar jobs, cleaning jobs, maccy D's, retail, driving, agency (usually lasts a few days and never hear from again), even tried some self-employment options. Trust me, work in this area is dry. I got an interview for a job at B&Q, it wasn't advertised, I had to use my initiative to log on the website, find the career I wanted, and apply. There were 4 jobs going in total..I asked him how many other people had applied for this un-advertised job, he said 8. Imagine how many people apply for an advertised one and being somebody with no relevant experience or qualifications for most jobs I apply for...odds are someone has more experience than me and I won't get it.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush, some of us are desperately seeking work from anyone, doing anything (within reason).

It's not about not applying for cleaning jobs, I have applied for them jobs and not heard anything back...it's not about standards or whatever, a jobs a frickin' job and it pays the same type of notes as a bank manager or a rocket engineer would get

So how are you living? if you are not working and not on benefits?

Relocate?

Try a bit further away? the job centre expect you to travel upto 15miles for employment, how far are you going?

Do you present yourself properly? asking how many people applied is unnecessary, shows you are doubtful you'll get it!

Do you check daily on the job centre for jobs?
Have you tried newsagents?, card shops?, supermarkets? book shops?

What about doing some voluntary work in order to better your CV?

RossDave10

CannotFindHelp wrote: »

Then be thankful, but also realise in the real world...where most of us live...there is a lot of barriers that stop people from getting the education, results or chances that you got. And sometimes, when someone has worked at a certain level for many years, they want to sustain that level and cannot actually afford for reasons of personal, financial or professional to take a basic wage job

In the real world?

So i'm living in some fantasy land ?

CannotFindHelp

RossDave10 wrote: »

In the real world?

So i'm living in some fantasy land ?

You seem to be coming on here and tarnishing everyone out of work with the same brush. If you can't find work, it's your fault, you haven't tried hard enough....if there is no work get on your bike and find it....I can't understand that mentality. Not everyone is able to find work as easily as the next person and not every unemployed person is sucking the state dry

What about college graduates, who have trained to become doctors, only to find there are less jobs and residencies because of NHS cutbacks? It takes 7 years to train to become a basic doctor...that's just a night or ward doctor, not the most pleasant job, so should someone be told to go back and repeat in another course having dedicated 7 years to medicine?

What about someone who worked in a factory for 35 years and is now forced to take early retirement because the factory has gone bust their specialist skills are useless, they never finished school - it was the 70's, nobody finished school unless you had money - and have no basic GCSE or A Levels...never mind college...are these people to be blamed and told it's their fault they can't find a job

I don't understand your mentality, there are people in this work who have been made unemployed through no fault of their own, and who are trying desperately to get a job....every day without fail....just because they haven't yet found one doesn't mean they're not giving it 100% and people like you being critical doesn't help

RossDave10

I wasn't generalising, but to come on this forum and make a post "Is UK Unemployment Enraging You?" is a bit daft, it's not as if this mopping about will do any good?

Where I live, there are a few people that live near me, do not work, are on JSA, have never worked, go to the pub most days and the rest of the time, sit at home blasting music.

Is that fair? I've worked hard to get what i've wanted so far, I understand many people lose their jobs, through no fault of there own, and different regions of the UK are worse affected than others, I'm not narrow minded.

I was simply giving advice, maybe a bit blunt, but the way I see it is, in times like this people need to swallow there pride and get them forms into the nearest supermarket, at the end of the day everyone needs food..

I do see your point about studying and training for X years and getting no Job at the end because of NHS cuts, but not all hope is lost, you've got the qualifications, they just need to get some basic job, whilst volunteering and trying in as many hospitals as possible?

Yes, my "attitude" or "mentality" may annoy you, but, lifes unfair, you've put all your eggs in one basket and now its backfired.

Simple.

montrano

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What I think the poster meant by over qualified, is that employers will look at your CV and see that you have either been working too long or at too high of a standard for them to reasonably expect you to give a year or two's dedication to the post.

Remember, when an employer is hiring, he is looking for stability as well as reliability and there is always a chance that Person X will be hired over Person Y, accept the job, but leave 3 weeks later because they've gotten a "real" job....and the only way to avoid that is to either take employments out of your CV, which creates gaps, or lie about your employment and say you worked elsewhere - which is the worst thing you can do. You can't always tailor a CV for every single job and every single employer.

Employers have to be strict too. I remember when I was 15 I got a job working for Virgin Megastores - now you have to be 18 or something to work for these places, no exceptions - and there's no chance for a teenager to earn some pocket money at a Saturday job, they're all taken by the college students[/QUOTE]

My point exactly. In a previous temp job I had, he told me honestly that the company wouldn't take me on permanently as the job was below my skills and they couldn't offer anything higher. And this was before the recession.
I've also spoken to retail managers who admit they're looking for a 16 year old school leaver, cos they can pay less and they're going to stick around for a while.

In my area, even a basic office admin job can get up to a thousand applicants.

Herbie_Hancock_I_wish

RossDave10 wrote: »

I wasn't generalising, but to come on this forum and make a post "Is UK Unemployment Enraging You?" is a bit daft, it's not as if this mopping about will do any good?

Where I live, there are a few people that live near me, do not work, are on JSA, have never worked, go to the pub most days and the rest of the time, sit at home blasting music.

Is that fair? I've worked hard to get what i've wanted so far, I understand many people lose their jobs, through no fault of there own, and different regions of the UK are worse affected than others, I'm not narrow minded.

I was simply giving advice, maybe a bit blunt, but the way I see it is, in times like this people need to swallow there pride and get them forms into the nearest supermarket, at the end of the day everyone needs food..

I do see your point about studying and training for X years and getting no Job at the end because of NHS cuts, but not all hope is lost, you've got the qualifications, they just need to get some basic job, whilst volunteering and trying in as many hospitals as possible?

Yes, my "attitude" or "mentality" may annoy you, but, lifes unfair, you've put all your eggs in one basket and now its backfired.

Simple.

How the heck do they go to the pub all day on JSA? JSA would barely keep a flea alive the way prices are going.

Don`t be glib about self employment. Did that in the early 90`s , and a decent paying employer. Interest rates went up . Premises went madly up in rent . Then themarket changed . Just one up hill struggle. On an income of £13k, we paid £12k to the IR. Why , becausewe put our profits back into stock. Some jumped up git came around regarding business rates along with the`ealth and safety bunch.

At the end of the lease we were desperate to get out. About the only store in the street still trading. We entrusted our stock to another trader who then went bust.

Sad to say an inheritance bailed us out , not proud about it one bit .

Well with a lot of hardwork we rebuilt ourselves back up. Saving, saving, saving. We always paid into pensions from our 20`s so retirement was looking not too bad. Now with less than 3 years to retirement I have been laid off by the peopleI have contractedto over a decade.

Been disabled from 13years old and apart from treatment have not claimed a penny apart from a short while of unemployment.

I am looking to sue the people I did work for as I have been done out of afar bit of cash, however it is down to my soliciter if we can do a no win , no fee.

Don`t knock the folk with no job. We have always worked very hard.

Emmzi

Given a choice I will not hire over qualified people as when something comes up in another business they are at the right level of skill for, they will be off and leave me. For many jobs I just need a steady eddie with longevity.

You can rant all you like but I make the decisions and I decide I can't be bothered giving up yet another week of my time to hold interviews when Mr "No, I really do want to work here forever" with the PhD offs and leaves.

edinburgher

Surely the job will be EASIER?! if your "over" qualified?!

Also, entry level jobs can be hard work, not as "easy" as people make out, brushing it off as "oh im too qualified"

IDIOT

If you were a bit older I'd say you sound like a total tool, but as you're 18there's time enough for you to see a bit more of how the wonderful world of employment works.

It's perfectly easy to be overly qualified, as several people have explained in some detail. In circumstances where there's a limited pool of employment but a growing pool of workers, employers are free to pick and choose exactly who they want. That's typically a young guy like yourself who they can pay minimum wage to and boss around - not someone with a bit of life experience and a PHD. They cost more and there's an inbuilt prejudice with recruiters that older/more qualified candidates will leave instantly when a better opportunity comes along. Which is sometimes a fair point, but older or better qualified candidates don't have it easy either way.

Anecdotally, my elder brother has worked since he was 14 and was made redundant aged 30 about 4 months ago. He applies for about 20 jobs a week, networks with friends and colleagues in his career to try to find a role and has been willing to take anything (including night work, shift work and jobs that pay less than 50% of his previous wage). He's managed to get squat so far, despite being approachable, enthusiastic and re-writing his CV constantly. So don't tell me it's easy to get work, you've hardly got the life experience to damn all jobseekers as lazy sods who won't 'get on their bike' :mad:

Where I live, there are a few people that live near me, do not work, are on JSA, have never worked, go to the pub most days and the rest of the time, sit at home blasting music.

Maybe you should try some volunteering with the very folk has you express so much hate for - there are plenty of barriers to getting in/back into employment in this country and jobs do not just smack you in the face when you're walking down the street.

out_of_cash

Word from the wise! someone with 34 yrs more work experience than rossdave10

for and 18 yr old i would expect that line of thought, as they havent entered the real world yet kids mortgage etc etc adult responsibility

we have created a soup kitchen wage culture in this country and employers are going to bleed everyone dry because of it,in my line of work pay rates have decreased by as much as 50% unlike the cost of living.

Still we can rely on the goverment to completely slate the unemployed and get them back to work like some chain gang for nothing,they tried this with new deal at a cost of £800million+ and now with that total failure we have the work programme £1b total lunacy.

How many people do goverment think can fit into mcdonalds b&q argos etc, bottom line jobs for adults with real living expenses are not there, all this crap of being proud to say you have a job only works if it pays enough for you and your kids to eat put clothes on their backs"this is the major problem"