Budget - tougher for DLA claimants

Oldernotwiser

Trialia wrote: »

I don't see how come any of you bashers don't realise that it would cost far more for direct payments to every company or individual concerned in every disabled person's life to be arranged and sent than for us to be paid DLA and do it individually from there. Isn't all this about trying to save money, anyway?

For me it's nothing to do with saving money and everything to do with providing disabled people with the help they need. In many cases, I would expect people to get far more support than they do at present. This really isn't about "benefit bashing" although it's obviously easier to call it that than to engage in rational debate. (Although you haven't been one of the culprits on that issue.)

Oldernotwiser

ash4becks wrote: »

bigot and a idiot i think !!!!!!!

Is calling people names rather than having a rational discussion also part of your disability?

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Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I would disagree with you that choice in terms of utility supply has been particularly beneficial for customers, particularly considering the large profits made by utility companies.

However, I don't see why items being provided direct should mean that people have no choice. It should be perfectly possible for someone to research mobility scooters and wheelchairs and then put in a request for the one they have chosen and then to have it provided for them.

This would seem to be more helpful than giving someone a monthly amount that needs to be saved for a period of time before being able to buy something and would avoid the problem of someone needing a mobility aid but not buying it with their DLA.

In theory yes but the OH and SSD dont work like that and the law does not force them to and they wont go above and beyond what they have to!

Both hubby and I have multiple disabilities but dont even qualify to get assessed by the social services never mind receive goods or services from them. But we still have needs and extra expenses because of them so where would that leave us?

And as I have mentioned already It would actually result in more money being spent than is already paid out. The Social services would not only have to supply the goods and services, given it would be at cost so cheaper than an individual on DLA would buy them. But they would also need to employ support staff & social workers to carry out this vast increase of assessments and follow ups non of which comes cheap.

We do need to overcome the masses of false claimants but I dont think direct provision of services is going to reduce the money being paid out.

krisskross

sh1305 wrote: »

So do those on DLA.

So how much of yours do you hand over?

For goodness sake you do very little to advance the cause of DLA. You whine for England about how hard done by you are. What about being the teeniest bit thankful that you live in a country where it is possible for less able people to get extra financial assistance.

Indie_Kid

krisskross wrote: »

Asda smartprice wipes are 50p for 80

I live nowhere near Asda and neither of my parents shop there.

Oldernotwiser

sh1305 wrote: »

Wheelchair services already provides wheelchairs for people.

So is that part of the worry then? That people who need a wheelchair get DLA because of their disability but they also get given a wheelchair as well?

(Having bought ours on Ebay I don't know how the system works for others.)

[Deleted User]

sh1305 wrote: »

So do those on DLA.

Most do not. There is a smaller proportin that do because people claim DLA for conditions which would not even meet the criteria for assessment by social services.

Indie_Kid

krisskross wrote: »

So how much of yours do you hand over?

None. They totally messed me about when I asked for support. Plus, they only give certain people support too.

Indie_Kid

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

So is that part of the worry then? That people who need a wheelchair get DLA because of their disability but they also get given a wheelchair as well?

(Having bought ours on Ebay I don't know how the system works for others.)

I know someone who had to buy his own wheelchair and got told by wheelchair services he couldn't have one. The same is true for many part-time users.

Oldernotwiser

_shel wrote: »

In theory yes but the OH and SSD dont work like that and the law does not force them to and they wont go above and beyond what they have to!

Both hubby and I have multiple disabilities but dont even qualify to get assessed by the social services never mind receive goods or services from them. But we still have needs and extra expenses because of them so where would that leave us?

And as I have mentioned already It would actually result in more money being spent than is already paid out. The Social services would not only have to supply the goods and services, given it would be at cost so cheaper than an individual on DLA would buy them. But they would also need to employ support staff & social workers to carry out this vast increase of assessments and follow ups non of which comes cheap.

We do need to overcome the masses of false claimants but I dont think direct provision of services is going to reduce the money being paid out.

I see your point at the moment but if the system were to be changed then the administration of it could be simplified, as it is for the Motability scheme.

As I said, cost cutting isn't the most important part of it for me, neither is the cutting down of unnecessary claims. I think that these might be desirable side effects but not the main purpose.