Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

keggs

NigeWick wrote: »

Nope. (S)He's on my ignore list. See my "signature" for clarification.

I've been trying to put him / her on my ignore list but not sure how to do it. I don't like ignoring people but will make an exception in his/her case. This person is a nasty individual, so can't be bothered having any kind of dialogue now.

Thanks for your help.

keggs

[QUOTE I see you also say:


Hmmm... and a self declared UW [STRIKE]salesman[/STRIKE] distributor. Yeah right. :cool:[/QUOTE]

Another slur. I NEVER advise any adult about anything including whether UW is beneficial to them. I show them them information - and let them decide for themselves. What other people do is their business. You can choose to believe me or not - that's your choice. But your comment has allowed your mask to slip regarding your attitude towards UW. So I for one won't take any advice from you.

MillicentBystander

HappyMJ wrote: »

That's quite a statement. Do you have facts to support this?

I'm not defending UW but in the Midlands based on 3,300kWh electric and 16,500kWh gas. EDF online saver 2 comes in at £940 per year and Utility Warehouse comes in at £1,056 per year (on the 3 bedroom medium tariff) only 12% more expensive than the cheapest tariff. As is industry standard all companies only compare their tariffs to other companies standard tariffs the best standard tariff is Npower at £1,024 per year making UW only 3% more expensive.

The average of the big six is £1,133 so UW can legally advertise their services as being 7% cheaper than the average bill.

At last a balanced response. But it's actually better than what you quote, MJHappy as the chepeast UW quote for that consumption is the High tariff. This Which?/Cardew absolute nonsense of 20% (or even 30 or 40% as Cardew has previously stated ) more expensive with UW needs putting to bed. We'll take Cardew's area, Midlands, and the OFGEM average consumption figures of 16500 gas and 3300 electricity, monthly direct debit. Select High tariff.

Energyhelpline is telling me the cheapest tariff (EDF Online Saver 12) is 9% cheaper than UW.

EDF OS12 £968
UW High User Tariff £1069

A difference of 9% - not 20%, not 30%, not 40%.

Not forgetting the EDF OS12 tariff has a £50 exit fee whereas the UW has none.

But do as UW recommend and take 4 qualifying services all at once and keep to the T&Cs and UW will credit you with 10% of your first 12 months gas and electric charges in the 13th month (unlike the npower £105 credit this figure is rightly not included in the UW figure showing on energyhelpline). In this instance, the punter would, should they stay with UW for the full 12 months, get a £107 credit on their first 12 months energy cost, bringing it down to £962! 6 quid cheaper than the cheapest tariff on the market. Accurate monthly billing at no extra cost, 24/7 inclusive landline, 0870 and international calls etc etc. Not for everyone of course but for the right person can be unbeatable.

So let's stop this nonsense about '20% higher with UW' unless the person making the claim can actually back it up with facts. it's certainly telling that actual facts have been thin on the ground (non existent??) from the usual suspects, Cardew and Quentin.

PS It's UWs electricity prices that need addressing as the gas prices are already very competitive (just click on gas only in energyhelpline for proof). But it is of course possible to still have 4 qualifying products without taking UWs electric - thereby qualifying for an extra 10% off the already cheap gas.

MillicentBystander

keggs wrote: »

I've been trying to put him / her on my ignore list but not sure how to do it. I don't like ignoring people but will make an exception in his/her case. This person is a nasty individual, so can't be bothered having any kind of dialogue now.

Thanks for your help.

I think it best, Keggs, because responding to him is just giving him diversionary opportunities (it's a classic Quentin tactic when cornered) instead of actually answering some of the key points raised.

Click UserCP (in the green band 2/3 way up the page), then click on Edit ignore list, pop Quentin in there and Bob really is yer uncle!

HappyMJ

MillicentBystander wrote: »

At last a balanced response. But it's actually better than what you quote, MJHappy as the chepeast UW quote for that consumption is the High tariff. This Which?/Cardew absolute nonsense of 20% (or even 30 or 40% as Cardew has previously stated ) more expensive with UW needs putting to bed. We'll take Cardew's area, Midlands, and the OFGEM average consumption figures of 16500 gas and 3300 electricity, monthly direct debit. Select High tariff.

Energyhelpline is telling me the cheapest tariff (EDF Online Saver 12) is 9% cheaper than UW.

EDF OS12 £968
UW High User Tariff £1069

A difference of 9% - not 20%, not 30%, not 40%.

Not forgetting the EDF OS12 tariff has a £50 exit fee whereas the UW has none.

But do as UW recommend and take 4 qualifying services all at once and keep to the T&Cs and UW will credit you with 10% of your first 12 months gas and electric charges in the 13th month (unlike the npower £105 credit this figure is rightly not included in the UW figure showing on energyhelpline). In this instance, the punter would, should they stay with UW for the full 12 months, get a £107 credit on their first 12 months energy cost, bringing it down to £962! 6 quid cheaper than the cheapest tariff on the market. Accurate monthly billing at no extra cost, 24/7 inclusive landline, 0870 and international calls etc etc. Not for everyone of course but for the right person can be unbeatable.

So let's stop this nonsense about '20% higher with UW' unless the person making the claim can actually back it up with facts. it's certainly telling that actual facts have been thin on the ground (non existent??) from the usual suspects, Cardew and Quentin.

PS It's UWs electricity prices that need addressing as the gas prices are already very competitive (just click on gas only in energyhelpline for proof). But it is of course possible to still have 4 qualifying products without taking UWs electric - thereby qualifying for an extra 10% off the already cheap gas.

Sorry, I didn't mean to fuel the argument. Anyway be careful with percentages using your figures UW is 10.4% more expensive than EDF's. That's the figures that others have used. xx% more expensive. No one has ever used xx% cheaper. Not sure what site you used to compare but on UKPower the high user tariff was £2 a year more expensive than the medium user tariff.

MillicentBystander

I take your point about %tages but even 10.4% is not exactly 20% and certainly not 30% like others have claimed. Not sure this will work but here goes:

http://www.energyhelpline.com/fri/fri/Domesticenergy/Domestic/Results?Id=833aa9c8-0df1-483f-913a-9f37007fdd53&PostCode=WV4%208AN&RegionCode=5&CurrentGasTariffId=430959&CurrentElectricityTariffId=430847&CompareGas=True&CompareElec=True&GasUsageUnknown=False&ElecUsageUnknown=False&GasProfileOrigin=UserInputKWh&ElecProfileOrigin=UserInputKWh&CurElecSpendPeriod=PerMonth&CurElecUse=3300&CurElecUsePeriod=PerYear&CurElecEconomy7=False&CurElecEconomy7Usage=0.55&CurGasSup=68&CurGasSupTariff=177&CurGasPayMthd=1&CurGasSpendPeriod=PerYear&CurGasUse=16500&CurGasUsePeriod=PerYear&ComparisonType=GasAndElectricity&PrefRadioSelector=None&AllTariffs=AllTariffs&SortByPrice=ExpectedSaving&SecSortByPrice=ExpectedSaving&FuturePayMthd=1&ClientHasJavaScript=False&CurElecSup=68&CurElecSupTariff=177&CurElecPayMthd=1&SupplyType=DualGasAndElectricity&SimpleGasUsageLevel=Medium&SimpleElecUsageLevel=Medium&ShowAll=False&Skip=0&Page=0&SecShowAll=False&SecSkip=0&IsCustomerInputComplete=False&ProRataPreference=True&AgentId=0&CalcCurGasUsage=16500&CalcCurElecUsage=3300&SavingsThreshold=0&CurrentTotalSpendPerAnum=1069.3471500000000000000000000&CurrentGasSpendPerAnum=613.91025000000000000000000000&CurrentElectricitySpendPerAnum=455.43690000000000000000000000&SwitchId=0

keggs

MillicentBystander wrote: »

I think it best, Keggs, because responding to him is just giving him diversionary opportunities (it's a classic Quentin tactic when cornered) instead of actually answering some of the key points raised.

Click UserCP (in the green band 2/3 way up the page), then click on Edit ignore list, pop Quentin in there and Bob really is yer uncle!

With not being on here for a long time, and I don't really want to get involved again. (I do wish people would just accept what others have to say without casting aspertions) I had forgotten I had already put him on my ignore list. There's only 2 - and s/he' one of them. However for some reason his posts are still showing.

Anyone know why? I've re-checked the box but I don't think that will work.

HappyMJ

MillicentBystander wrote: »

I take your point about %tages but even 10.4% is not exactly 20% and certainly not 30% like others have claimed. Not sure this will work but here goes:

http://www.energyhelpline.com/fri/fri/Domesticenergy/Domestic/Results?Id=833aa9c8-0df1-483f-913a-9f37007fdd53&PostCode=WV4%208AN&RegionCode=5&CurrentGasTariffId=430959&CurrentElectricityTariffId=430847&CompareGas=True&CompareElec=True&GasUsageUnknown=False&ElecUsageUnknown=False&GasProfileOrigin=UserInputKWh&ElecProfileOrigin=UserInputKWh&CurElecSpendPeriod=PerMonth&CurElecUse=3300&CurElecUsePeriod=PerYear&CurElecEconomy7=False&CurElecEconomy7Usage=0.55&CurGasSup=68&CurGasSupTariff=177&CurGasPayMthd=1&CurGasSpendPeriod=PerYear&CurGasUse=16500&CurGasUsePeriod=PerYear&ComparisonType=GasAndElectricity&PrefRadioSelector=None&AllTariffs=AllTariffs&SortByPrice=ExpectedSaving&SecSortByPrice=ExpectedSaving&FuturePayMthd=1&ClientHasJavaScript=False&CurElecSup=68&CurElecSupTariff=177&CurElecPayMthd=1&SupplyType=DualGasAndElectricity&SimpleGasUsageLevel=Medium&SimpleElecUsageLevel=Medium&ShowAll=False&Skip=0&Page=0&SecShowAll=False&SecSkip=0&IsCustomerInputComplete=False&ProRataPreference=True&AgentId=0&CalcCurGasUsage=16500&CalcCurElecUsage=3300&SavingsThreshold=0&CurrentTotalSpendPerAnum=1069.3471500000000000000000000&CurrentGasSpendPerAnum=613.91025000000000000000000000&CurrentElectricitySpendPerAnum=455.43690000000000000000000000&SwitchId=0

Cheers, yes that worked. Your rates are for West Midlands. I meant East Midlands which I admit I did not mention. Doesn't matter it's close enough. https://www.utilitywarehouse.co.uk/home/energy/tariff.taf?region=11

So in the East Midlands UW are 12% more expensive and the West Midlands are 10% more expensive over the absolute best rate on the market. It's interesting that someone on average figures is considered a high user in the West and a medium user in the East.

MillicentBystander

keggs wrote: »

With not being on here for a long time, and I don't really want to get involved again. (I do wish people would just accept what others have to say without casting aspertions) I had forgotten I had already put him on my ignore list. There's only 2 - and s/he' one of them. However for some reason his posts are still showing.

Anyone know why? I've re-checked the box but I don't think that will work.

Make sure you are using capital Q, the name on the ignore has to totally match the username, including lowercase and uppercase letters etc. I've just done it and his posts aren't showing for me.

MillicentBystander

HappyMJ wrote: »

Cheers, yes that worked. Your rates are for West Midlands. I meant East Midlands which I admit I did not mention. Doesn't matter it's close enough. https://www.utilitywarehouse.co.uk/home/energy/tariff.taf?region=11

So in the East Midlands UW are 12% more expensive and the West Midlands are 10% more expensive over the absolute best rate on the market. It's interesting that someone on average figures is considered a high user in the West and a medium user in the East.

It's also interesting to note that the cheapest tariff available in my example (EDF OS12) guarantees to be a min. 2% cheaper than their standard tariff. Delve a little deeper and it can be revealed that the £968 price shown is actually over 9% cheaper than EDF's standard tariff currently. Meaning they could increase the tariff by approx 6% from its current price and STILL remain within the T&Cs that people (probably unwittingly) signed up for. And people go on about UWs 'tactics'.