Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Jeanetteathome

The_Analyst wrote: »

If you got up at 7 spent an hour on the train, did an 8 hour day, five days a week then spent another hour on the train home that would be full time. I'm sure you could still earn £50- £500 clear profit a month in Kleeneze without putting in anything like those hours, so yes it would be part-time. I know it was easily possible some years ago.

The two things wrong with Kleeneze as I see it though are firstly the fact that a Gold can earn 16% on a retailer who fails to hit their own bonus of 6%. How many retailers ever stick at it enough to hit 6%?
So the retailer earns 21% but has paid for catalogues and admin and internet fees and will be lucky to make as much as the Gold does on the retailer's own sales when the Gold has only had to recruit them and sit back - what kind of unfair deal is that? Worse than that, the profit can then be used by the Gold to sponsor locally and then you end up with the retailer having paid the upline to recruit his competitors!

The other flaw with Kleeneze is there's no obvious own-use products, hence you couldn't build a network of doctors and lawyers regularly consuming and recommending others. So it becomes an "us and them" business with people trudging and traipsing until they get browned off with their upline earning the same as them for doing nothing except egging them on to keep at it. I wonder what the retailer retention-rate would be like if the retailer kept a bigger slice and the upline made less? Personally I can't see why anyone would want to do Kleeneze if they weren't going to at least hit their 6% level, to cover their costs, especialy if they'd worked out what their upline Gold was getting.

Firstly about the profit - to make £500 clear profit after all the expenses , all the costs the fuel and everything else taken into consideration you'd need to be doing loads of hours , far more than the few they say. Even £300 a month which they trumpet as *being easily attainable* will take every evening and every weekend to get, if they are lucky.

About golds - you miss the fact that the gold can't just sit back , they too have to continue out there retailing to match their group or they'll lose out - the worst place to be I'm told is a Gold with a weak front line team but having one person beneath them get to gold , they lose a load then as they need to match it all the time. Get two go to gold and they get top be bronze.

The key here is that at no time can any of them sit back - spend more time with their family , go on nice holidays with all the supposed cash they make - they have to keep on recruiting , keep on putting out catalogues or they'll lose any bonuses they might make.

It's so complex even the top bods can't work it out!

shirleymarye

I am very surprised that the authorities in Guernsey allowed this person to do Kleeneze,they are very careful who lives on the island and what they do to earn money! My own mother in law was born in Guernsey and she left to live in Canada and when she wanted to return they wouldn't allow it,you have to buy your own house and have a set income per annum to live on. OK the guy lives with his partner,she must either have her own property or be working there with accommodation but his earnings are very suspect!

wongawonga

Findel the owners of Kleeneze share price sunk to an all time low of 3.5 pence this week,was 760 pence approx 6 years ago.This is after investors have subscribed to 2 emergency cash raising share issues at 21pence and 7pence in the last 2 years.

SkintButHappy

I earn £700 pounds a month doing Kleeneze round my full time job. Kleeneze works, its people that dont. Sorry

SkintButHappy

PatrickD wrote: »

I don't see Kleeneze as having those sort of products, most of them seem to be one-off buys, which means you are continually looking for new customers, when more of your time could be spent looking for new distributors and helping them to build networks.

Have you even looked in a Kleeneze catalogue recently? Cleaning products for the kitchen - they run out. Foot and hand cream - they run out one of my best customers buys 2 foot lotions a month - one for him for the wife. Makeup- it runs out. Shampoo/conditioner/nail varnish - they all run out. Kitchen foil - it runs out. Cling Film - it runs out.

I could go on....

I am expanding my customers atm so ok I am looking for new customers, but I also spend alot of time recruiting too. I still have time to service my 300+ customers monthly, expand, and recruit, and coach. Round a full time job. In fact my Kleeneze business pays for most of my rent and bills and my wages go on paying off my debts.

wongawonga

SkintButHappy wrote: »

If anyone wants to ask any questions about how, why and if it really does work to an active distributor who's business turnover grows month on month feel free to inbox me

Blimey another Kleeneze Rep touting for recruits. I see you have not posted since 2009 and then you return to tout for busines, have you got nothing better to do then quote that tired strap line " Kleeneze works, its people that dont .

jellygoodfellow

SkintButHappy wrote: »

I earn £700 pounds a month doing Kleeneze round my full time job. Kleeneze works, its people that dont. Sorry

How about telling it how it really is.




You have to buy the catalogues


You will lose catalogues to bad weather and not being returned


You have to package each catalogue


You need to print off lots of slips (such as when you are going to collect, missed delivery, missed collection...)


To get free delivery for goods you need a minimum order value of £150, otherwise incur a delivery charge


There is an internet charge for you to order goods online


You will be responsible for delivery of the goods to your customers. You will find sometimes customers will not always be at home to deliver to.


You will have to handle out of stocks and returned items


You may get pressured to go to meetings and events at a charge


You may get pressured to buying a voicemail service at a monthly charge


You may not get the average order of £1 per book, in many cases it is less


When servicing a built up 'customer base' you will most probably not get the £12 per book that is claimed


When looking to build a team, expect 1 in 10 to sign up


9 in 10 of people you sign up will drop out very soon, most without placing any orders


Recruiting is an expensive activity, that takes extra time (you have to generate leads, arrrange meetings, sign people up, help them out etc..)


You will have to do accounts and a self assesment tax return each year - as with any business


Income cheques shown to you do not include business expenses or tax


After 3-5 years many people are still struggling to sustain a team and income.


That the he people looking to sponsor you are acting primarily in their own interests.

jellygoodfellow

petestan wrote: »

he regularly earns £3000 every 4 weeks.

No mention of the numerous outgoings he would have to deduct from this.:eek:

SkintButHappy

Actually, I genuinly came on here for help with my debts and this thread was at the top! Seeing as you know so much about me you will also see that I just changed my signature to "Back to try and get debt free again"back

jellygoodfellow wrote: »

How about telling it how it really is.




You have to buy the catalogues - Well duh its a business


You will lose catalogues to bad weather and not being returned - bad weather - no cos i dont have trampy bags on my catalogues and not being returned? Not now im mainly customer based.


You have to package each catalogue - takes 15 mins to do 50. not much at all


You need to print off lots of slips (such as when you are going to collect, missed delivery, missed collection...) - yes. If I owned a macdonalds I would have to buy potatos and burgers, your point?


To get free delivery for goods you need a minimum order value of £150, otherwise incur a delivery charge - My weekly order is always £300+ so no need to worry there.


There is an internet charge for you to order goods online - fiver or so? Much better than a drive to macro if I owned an actual shop


You will be responsible for delivery of the goods to your customers. You will find sometimes customers will not always be at home to deliver to. - *NEWSFLASH* lol. I just get these customers to come to me or cross awkward ones off my lift my times better spent


You will have to handle out of stocks and returned items - so?


You may get pressured to go to meetings and events at a charge - I go to the odd meeting, but I enjoy giving my team recognition and the trainings


You may get pressured to buying a voicemail service at a monthly charge - This is where my leads come in so for a coupla quid a month I dont see the problem


You may not get the average order of £1 per book, in many cases it is less. - £1 a book is when your customer based. Which I am. Last week I got £300 from 97 books. you do the math


When servicing a built up 'customer base' you will most probably not get the £12 per book that is claimed - no one has ever made that claim to me.


When looking to build a team, expect 1 in 10 to sign up - obviously thats no news to me, that is exactly why I try to see 10 people a week


9 in 10 of people you sign up will drop out very soon, most without placing any orders - had a couple come and go, had some stay and progress, thats life


Recruiting is an expensive activity, that takes extra time (you have to generate leads, arrrange meetings, sign people up, help them out etc..) - ill admit it can be time consuming sometimes, but I genuinly enjoy what i do so I dont mind too much!


You will have to do accounts and a self assesment tax return each year - as with any business. Nope http://www.dslaccounting.co.uk/


Income cheques shown to you do not include business expenses or tax - tax? I work full time so I actually get a *REBATE* every April


After 3-5 years many people are still struggling to sustain a team and income. - Well ive not been in the business that long id be happy to report back in 5 years!


That the he people looking to sponsor you are acting primarily in their own interests. - i think thats a pretty selfish way of looking at it

SkintButHappy

Dya know what, I came here for the first time in a couple of years as im here for help with my debt again. I dont want people to think im recruiting on here and dont want my acc blocked. I saw this thread and was quick to jump in and defend a business I genuinly love, as anyone would, but this clearly isnt the place. Ive said my 2p.

Cheers