Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Jeanetteathome

I wouldn't do Kleeneze and Betterware in the same area really , the one is in competition with the other in many respects. All you'd be doing is cutting of your nose to spite your face. I know both of the companies give out the guff that people are crouched behind their doors just waiting to buy from the books but they aren't, there are a very finite amount of people in any area that even look at the books.

Often people will order loads the first time but the poor quality of the goods mean they won't be fooled twice.

As to Xmas out of stocks - of course if someone is only doing a very small amount of business they won't see the effect of OOS, often on these forums and others you get Kleeneze distributors saying it isn't a problem but when pressed they hardly do any business - speak to one who does £1000+ a week and you see OOS and No Longer Available a very real and costly problem.

wongawonga

Kleeneze perhaps.:D

Honest_John_666

:T

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Plastic Crap Exec

Regards
John

Jeanetteathome

The funny thing is the Gold level used to be seen as the easiest to reach , it was the least rewarded too as it was seen as a stepping stone to the Bronze level where all the holidays and cars are. They used to have a *get gold and hold it for 10 periods* prize. Which even when I did it was sort of saying that holding gold would be difficult - a far cry from how easy the *circles* are , just recruit ten people and Voilà you are gold.

Just ten people needed - thats all , after all when even highly paid people like doctors and businessmen see the **Opportunity** they can't wait to sign up . Can they?? really?? this is the guff I was peddled - that highly paid people can't wait to trudge the streets with a trolley full of catalogues.

Getting ten people to do kleeneze possibly might have been easy in the early 90's - I know of Bronzes who started in the early 90's and got to gold in just six week - unbelievable now. Nowadays they give holiday to people who get gold - so difficult is it to get twen people to do it for more thasn a few weeks. It doesn't matter how many are signed up they need to actually put out books for weeks and months on end to get their sponsor up the bonus ladder.

9 out of 10 people drop out of this mugs game - iot's sold on lies , *just get ten people * they say , but that could take years and you will need to sign up hundreds in that time. Each one costs money ion sponsoring - phone calls , free things to help them , petrol to go and see them , the initial advert in the paper to get them . Then they do it for two weeks see how crap it is and leave - so you have to start all over again and again and again. Even if they do reach gold the silly idea they can sit back and do nothing while the money roll is in lies too - they'll need to keep their own sales high if they aren't to lose out on bonuses. Once you start you must not stop - if you do you'll lose bonus levels , you can't go on holiday or you'll get nothing , and surprise surprise every one goes away at some point in the summer so any team you have falls apart in the summer - they come back and can't face the catalogues and the traipsing round the streets morning noon and night again so give up.

Yet STILL it's sold as a great way to make money - it costs so much to actually do if you keep careful record you can see early on it just isn't worth the time money and petrol. The thing is they don't want people to look too hard - it's all looking to the future , this holiday or that bonus , but what it really means is you get so involved and dedicate so much time and money you feel you have to keep going to recoup it back.

Oh and don't be fooled by those who do this for literally pin money - £30 a month then say it works - it doesn't it costs them far more than that to do but they just won't admit it. Remember too that people are recruited on the basis of ads that say things like £50 - £500 a month Pt/Ft

lincroft1710

What sort of company values bronze higher than gold??

niftyone

If you join they actually charge

£185.00 for 250 books
£156.00 for 200 books
£80.00 for 50 books

for the priviledge of people throwing them out,destroying them,or for another Kleeneze distributor to steal them.

The_Analyst_2

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

Oh and don't be fooled by those who do this for literally pin money - £30 a month then say it works - it doesn't it costs them far more than that to do but they just won't admit it. Remember too that people are recruited on the basis of ads that say things like £50 - £500 a month Pt/Ft

If you got up at 7 spent an hour on the train, did an 8 hour day, five days a week then spent another hour on the train home that would be full time. I'm sure you could still earn £50- £500 clear profit a month in Kleeneze without putting in anything like those hours, so yes it would be part-time. I know it was easily possible some years ago.

The two things wrong with Kleeneze as I see it though are firstly the fact that a Gold can earn 16% on a retailer who fails to hit their own bonus of 6%. How many retailers ever stick at it enough to hit 6%?
So the retailer earns 21% but has paid for catalogues and admin and internet fees and will be lucky to make as much as the Gold does on the retailer's own sales when the Gold has only had to recruit them and sit back - what kind of unfair deal is that? Worse than that, the profit can then be used by the Gold to sponsor locally and then you end up with the retailer having paid the upline to recruit his competitors!

The other flaw with Kleeneze is there's no obvious own-use products, hence you couldn't build a network of doctors and lawyers regularly consuming and recommending others. So it becomes an "us and them" business with people trudging and traipsing until they get browned off with their upline earning the same as them for doing nothing except egging them on to keep at it. I wonder what the retailer retention-rate would be like if the retailer kept a bigger slice and the upline made less? Personally I can't see why anyone would want to do Kleeneze if they weren't going to at least hit their 6% level, to cover their costs, especialy if they'd worked out what their upline Gold was getting.

Jeanetteathome

petestan wrote: »

Noone is forced to join Kleeneze, if the catalogues were given away free even more people would join but wouldn't do anything with the catalogues just stick them under the bed like a number of people do already or drop them once and never go back to collect them.

Have a listen to this guy who moved from the Morecambe area to Guernsey it just shows that it is possible to mainly retail and make a decent living.
Ok this period has been his best period and cheque but he regularly earns £3000 every 4 weeks.

Oh and there will have been other distributors already doing the areas of Guernsey he does before he moved there, but hey NO ONE can make any money from Kleeneze do they.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpBABPgu86w&feature=feedu

Were there other distributors there? were there any poundshops , big asdas or a myriad of other bargain or poundland shops? I think not it's Guernsey. There was a poster here - more than concerned - who spoke of full time retailing a 1000 books a week and couldn't make anything like that it cost more in fuel and equipment that was worth it , if people don't buy they don't buy . In big cities on housing estates distributors are falling over each other.

You might be impressed with stories like this - they are rolled out for all the gullible to lap up , you have already , but they bare NO relationship to any reality seen by the VAST majority of retailers.

In my earlier post I pointed out a bronze I knew who'd got to gold in just six weeks. If it was that easy now why couldn't I do it after a year of full time and unlimited outlay? Few do it thats why, thats why they had to pick golds out of a hat for Club Med 2, so few had made bronze.

Now the economy is up the chute I fear many will be taken in by the adverts , backed up by people linking to stories like the one you've trumpeted here. How many will waste precious money joining kleeneze on spurious adverts and promises.

I for one hope they read this whole thread and see it for what it is - a right rip off ,

niftyone

petestan wrote: »

Noone is forced to join Kleeneze, if the catalogues were given away free even more people would join but wouldn't do anything with the catalogues just stick them under the bed like a number of people do already or drop them once and never go back to collect them.

Have a listen to this guy who moved from the Morecambe area to Guernsey it just shows that it is possible to mainly retail and make a decent living.
Ok this period has been his best period and cheque but he regularly earns £3000 every 4 weeks.

Oh and there will have been other distributors already doing the areas of Guernsey he does before he moved there, but hey NO ONE can make any money from Kleeneze do they.

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I would i have thought that you would no by now Pete that your not allowed to spam the site with Kleeneze HQ Motivational/Promotional Videos here.

PatrickD

The_Analyst wrote: »

The other flaw with Kleeneze is there's no obvious own-use products, hence you couldn't build a network of doctors and lawyers regularly consuming and recommending others. So it becomes an "us and them" business with people trudging and traipsing until they get browned off with their upline earning the same as them for doing nothing except egging them on to keep at it. I wonder what the retailer retention-rate would be like if the retailer kept a bigger slice and the upline made less? Personally I can't see why anyone would want to do Kleeneze if they weren't going to at least hit their 6% level, to cover their costs, especialy if they'd worked out what their upline Gold was getting.

This is the problem I have with Kleeneze, not the fact that they use MLM/network marketing, which I think is a brilliant way of compensating people, but the flaw, as the Analyst stated, that there is no real ''own use'' system. Its all about people going out walking the streets dropping catalogues. I've no problem with that as long as its only one route to market. MLM should be about ''a lot of people doing a little, consistently over a long period of time''. In other words use a few products (own use, products you would use everyday anyway) and find a handful of customers who order every month, then build a network of people doing the same. For that you need good everyday products, think kitchen, bathroom and bedroom, at a reasonable price, that are mainly ordered every month. Thats why the top MLM companies virtually all have nutritional supplements, because the bottles are used up every month. I don't see Kleeneze as having those sort of products, most of them seem to be one-off buys, which means you are continually looking for new customers, when more of your time could be spent looking for new distributors and helping them to build networks.

The most glaring thing with me about Kleeneze, is that after some 40 years in the MLM business, there are only about 5 to 7,000 active distributors. Compare this with another (ex) British MLM company, L'Arome, who in the late '80s had some 130,000 distributors in the company after about 5 years.

Walk the streets delivering catalogues for the rest of my life? No thanks, not for me.

Pat