Kleeneeze or Betterware?

Jeanetteathome

twizzles wrote: »

there are some distributor out there are who are making promises out there my upline and my sponser gave it to me strait that you have to put the work in to it so it not everyone

I take it you mean not for everyone?

I was fully aware it would be a challenge which is why I did it. However after a year and doing ALL what was asked of me including building a team I was very much out of pocket. I had a team which lasted only a short while and left me right back at square one. This has a nine out of ten drop out rate, and it's nothing to do with *hard work* and everything to do with how bad kleeneze actually is to do.

When uplines show their cheques and say how much they earn or how much easy free time they have they are lying , plain and simple. They will have shelled out a small fortune recruiting people or delivering catalogues to bump up their personal sales.

Go to plenty of meetings , go to some of the seminars get to know the people and after a few months once they trust you the truth will come out. I guarantee it!

twizzles

niftyone wrote: »

How much did cost you to go from free to join to fully fledged distributor ?

it cost me about £30 as i brought a couple of things my self but i started with 5 books and a £150 credit limit as it was break free so i showed it to my freinds and family and they brought some stuff of me when i had £75 of orders i put them in and i got another 5 books free then when i got another £75 of orders which put my total up to £150 i got another 25 books and became a fully fledged distributer

Jeanetteathome

twizzles wrote: »

it cost me about £30 as i brought a couple of things my self but i started with 5 books and a £150 credit limit as it was break free so i showed it to my freinds and family and they brought some stuff of me when i had £75 of orders i put them in and i got another 5 books free then when i got another £75 of orders which put my total up to £150 i got another 25 books and became a fully fledged distributer

So you've earned £31 and you now have 35 books, it'd be best to remind people reading this that getting orders off friends and family is easy when you very first start, many are delighted to see you on your way but can't really expect them to spend £20 with you every week let alone every month. The stuff in the catalogue is available much cheaper in supermarkets like Asda and Morrisons and in bargain and poundshops. It's the same stuff too regardless what Kleeneze uplines tell you.

Now you say you spent £30 on other things , you don't say what but with the £31 you made thats a £1 profit. You now have 35 books - if you put those out in your neighbour hood you'll need £250 of orders to get the free delivery or it'll be £10 delivery. To get £250 of orders , given Kleenezes *own* figures of £1 a book on average (this is rarely the case , more like 25p - 50p) you'll need to put the books out to 250 individual addresses, given lost books, dirty/tatty/dog chewed, wet from rain, you'll lose those 35 in a week. 10 - 20% losses for building new rounds.

So really you'll need straight away to buy 200 books at £33 for 50 that's £172. Then of course there is the £7.99 a month online ordering fee plus all the other charges which though supposedly *optional* - ezereach, the website, the online shop - you will be lambasted at meetings for not being *serious* about building your business without them, your upline will know he won't make anything out of you because without these you won't be teambuilding. You'll go to meetings and these will be forced on you and it will be made clear that only losers and those who are useless and quitters won't take on ALL the stuff offered by Kleeneze - after all, the uplines with their fat cheques (which NEVER give the real cost after all the costs are taken off) use all the add on things and they've made a fortune!

Sorry for bursting any bubbles but it's best the truth is known - kleeneze will never say it as it is - EVER.

Honest_John_666

Jeanetteathome wrote: »

So you've earned £31 and you now have 35 books, it'd be best to remind people reading this that getting orders off friends and family is easy when you very first start, many are delighted to see you on your way but can't really expect them to spend £20 with you every week let alone every month. The stuff in the catalogue is available much cheaper in supermarkets like Asda and Morrisons and in bargain and poundshops. It's the same stuff too regardless what Kleeneze uplines tell you.

Now you say you spent £30 on other things , you don't say what but with the £31 you made thats a £1 profit. You now have 35 books - if you put those out in your neighbour hood you'll need £250 of orders to get the free delivery or it'll be £10 delivery. To get £250 of orders , given Kleenezes *own* figures of £1 a book on average (this is rarely the case , more like 25p - 50p) you'll need to put the books out to 250 individual addresses, given lost books, dirty/tatty/dog chewed, wet from rain, you'll lose those 35 in a week. 10 - 20% losses for building new rounds.

So really you'll need straight away to buy 200 books at £33 for 50 that's £172. Then of course there is the £7.99 a month online ordering fee plus all the other charges which though supposedly *optional* - ezereach, the website, the online shop - you will be lambasted at meetings for not being *serious* about building your business without them, your upline will know he won't make anything out of you because without these you won't be teambuilding. You'll go to meetings and these will be forced on you and it will be made clear that only losers and those who are useless and quitters won't take on ALL the stuff offered by Kleeneze - after all, the uplines with their fat cheques (which NEVER give the real cost after all the costs are taken off) use all the add on things and they've made a fortune!

Sorry for bursting any bubbles but it's best the truth is known - kleeneze will never say it as it is - EVER.

No replies to this I see then :rotfl:

Regards
John

wongawonga

Can you still earn a crust from this sort of work, or is it a load of bs.

Jeanetteathome

Not worth it , not unless you have lots of money to throw up the wall. It's not for anyone who hasn't got oodles of spare cash and doesn't mind working for nothing in the hope it *might* be better next month/year/etc.

mitch161

as soon as i read the title kleeneze, betterware, avon i immedietly thought....... pyramid scheme.

they all say you make your money mainly from recruiting new people. its a pyramid.

if you just want to be a rep and not a recruiter think of the stuff these magazines sell and look at the shops and wholesalers who sell it cheaper. make a ebay site and just post leaflets through doors to your ebay shop.

become your own rep/distributor. be your own peak of the pyramid. theres more money that way.

i have sold shampoos that i bought for £1 which sell for £5 thats better commission then avon give

hurrah

mitch161 wrote: »

as soon as i read the title kleeneze, betterware, avon i immedietly thought....... pyramid scheme.

they all say you make your money mainly from recruiting new people. its a pyramid.

if you just want to be a rep and not a recruiter think of the stuff these magazines sell and look at the shops and wholesalers who sell it cheaper. make a ebay site and just post leaflets through doors to your ebay shop.

become your own rep/distributor. be your own peak of the pyramid. theres more money that way.

i have sold shampoos that i bought for £1 which sell for £5 thats better commission then avon give

None of the companies you mention are pyramid schemes, if they were the OFT would have closed them down long ago, as such schemes are illegal.;)

mitch161

if i offered you a penny per week for selling a magazine but offered you the job to not worry about the penny a week but to instead only bother with recruiting more people and id give you £10 per person that joins if they sell 1000 magazines

that will stop the oft from calling me a pyramid. but in principle it still is a pyramid.

you only making good money from recruiting others. in my town theres so many un employed that are all avon recruiters and kleeneze recruiters that in the end there is no one really left actually buying goods so all these recruiters are not making money.

basically my town has hit the bottom level of the pyramid. where no more money can be made at the bottom level, so now the next level up are suffering. and it will escalate up.

making money through recruiting others and not from selling products direct always has limits and always has a end point.. the company as a whole are not a pyramid.. but the recruitment departments are..

you will soon see once the money dries up because everyman and his dog is a recruiter.

everyone else has seen it. its why the job centres and newspapers are a wash with avon, betterware and kleeneze ads to become recruiters. the money is drying up so people are trying soo hard to get referal leads.

try selling products and not referals

avon dont care if your network of friends dont want to buy from you, as theres always a new niave person they take on who will pester their network of friends for a few weeks till the moey dries up. . and once that happens bye bye niave recruiter, onto the next recruiter to pester family and friends. yes its good for a few weeks but the money dries up. only avon win as they are always receiving new recruits and a new pool of family and friends whol will buy avon/kleeneze for a month or 2. only avon will keep running non stop.. the recruiters all find one day they have reached the bottom level.

treat it as a hobby not a career plan. enjoy the money while its there but dont bank on it all the time.

avon use to be great with people given territories. but now its every man for himself and theres a limit in each town to how flooded with recruiters a town can have.

you'll see

jellygoodfellow

mitch161 wrote: »

if i offered you a penny per week for selling a magazine but offered you the job to not worry about the penny a week but to instead only bother with recruiting more people and id give you £10 per person that joins if they sell 1000 magazines

that will stop the oft from calling me a pyramid. but in principle it still is a pyramid.

you only making good money from recruiting others. in my town theres so many un employed that are all avon recruiters and kleeneze recruiters that in the end there is no one really left actually buying goods so all these recruiters are not making money.

basically my town has hit the bottom level of the pyramid. where no more money can be made at the bottom level, so now the next level up are suffering. and it will escalate up.

making money through recruiting others and not from selling products direct always has limits and always has a end point.. the company as a whole are not a pyramid.. but the recruitment departments are..

you will soon see once the money dries up because everyman and his dog is a recruiter.

everyone else has seen it. its why the job centres and newspapers are a wash with avon, betterware and kleeneze ads to become recruiters. the money is drying up so people are trying soo hard to get referal leads.

try selling products and not referals

avon dont care if your network of friends dont want to buy from you, as theres always a new niave person they take on who will pester their network of friends for a few weeks till the moey dries up. . and once that happens bye bye niave recruiter, onto the next recruiter to pester family and friends. yes its good for a few weeks but the money dries up. only avon win as they are always receiving new recruits and a new pool of family and friends whol will buy avon/kleeneze for a month or 2. only avon will keep running non stop.. the recruiters all find one day they have reached the bottom level.

treat it as a hobby not a career plan. enjoy the money while its there but dont bank on it all the time.

avon use to be great with people given territories. but now its every man for himself and theres a limit in each town to how flooded with recruiters a town can have.

you'll see

Suggest you read up what makes a pyramid scheme.;)

None of the companies you refer to come in that category.